2020 US Elections

[The perfect fumble]

I think it will be a farcical amount.

Won’t stop them trying, though.

I've a feeling that once Biden gets over 270 the fire will go out of this. The GOP will start looking to the post Trump future and you'll start to see key republican players slide away from Trump and edge towards the door. You're seeing it already, there's only the inner circle lunatics and his bizarre family left.

 

[SebastianBlue]

"Influencers" and "Pushers" would be enough at this point, in my opinion. Being assimilated into whichever party would be pointless if that party failed in its promises. There'd be nothing wrong with being independent enough to guarantee a vote from a demographic. A bit like Jim "joe knows us" Clyburn for influence.

I don't think gaining supporters is much of an issue, to be honest, it just needs direction. The block of where the money goes is not an issue either. We've seen people power break money lines with the election of Progressive candidates, so money doesn't always equal influence.

With the working class being the driver, consumer and contributor to the wealth of big business, there would be the ability to forced compromise for the working conditions and being more influential in the boardroom.

I know there's big talk on a new party forming as it's been happening in one form or other since the summer, in earnest. Right now, I know that the ideas are split on the way forward, when really they should march and support each other.

Again, you are describing how third parties work in the US today, so I don’t disagree. It is what there is.

I am talking about allowing for the development of major third parties, with real influence and numbers sufficient for real coalition building and agenda setting, which the system right now absolutely does not allow.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

For those just joining us, welcome to the neverending election.

I think that’s called priapism.....

 

[Gray]

So Trumps people have just held a News Conference in Nevada saying widespread fraud with mail in ballots, they wheeled out an old woman about 90 in front of the camera to say she went to vote and someone had already voted for her. Fuckin desperate stuff.

Has she got Alzheimer’s.

 

[super_city_si]

So had City until 93:20.

Until I see it in official wording I’m going to be tighter than a choirboys arsehole at singing practice.

I agree. This is on a knife edge

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The bloke is barking mad. Look at the popular vote split roughly 50/50, that means those doing the count will be a mix of Republicans and Democrats. Surely if there was sculduggery then somebody on the inside would blow the whistle.

He's mad alright. Mad for the gear.

 

[Bigga]

Again, you are describing how third parties work in the US today, so I don’t disagree. It is what there is.

I am talking about allowing for the development of major third parties, with real influence and numbers sufficient for real coalition building and agenda setting, which the system right now absolutely does not allow.

I wouldn't mind a breakdown on why party coalition is not workable, if you don't mind?

Thanks.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Do you still feed them or have they long since passed?

The first Mrs. Rochester likes to play with them.

 

[super_city_si]

The four commonwealths – Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Virginia

well if they insist in using their colonian name instead of state, think they should come back into the fold and back pay 3 centuries of tax to us

I've already claimed them. Check my twitter yesterday

 

[domalino]

It’s an admirable effort. I do hope enough states pass it (Colorado just did this election, actually) and adoption holds long enough to go through several election cycles to prove concept to voters. And this is a much easier route than constitutional amendment. Though, that is likely going to be a challenge given the states that are remaining.

But there are permanence and constitutionality issues with it that could ultimately scupper it, even if enough states finally pass and enact NaPoVoInterCo.

That said, constitutional amendments are near impossible to realise now, so perhaps it is the best that can be done.

I think more likely is it gets to 270, then there's an almighty court battle and electoral reform comes about as a compromise or as a development from that.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I've a feeling that once Biden gets over 270 the fire will go out of this. The GOP will start looking to the post Trump future and you'll start to see key republican players slide away from Trump and edge towards the door. You're seeing it already, there's only the inner circle lunatics and his bizarre family left.

I am not so sure it will be as comprehensive as that, mate. Many of the republicans in power and not up for reelection are absolutely chained to the fortunes of the Trump admin for varying reasons (most rather serious, including protection from prosecution). Some will absolutely slink away, I agree. But I am not convinced enough will do so. And there are also plenty of Barr-esque zealot lawyers willing to go once more in to the breach for the cause, anyway. We can’t forget the groups that are not strictly political that have nailed their colours to Trump’s... err, mast-room.

But when I said “they” in my original post, I was mostly referring to his inner circle, anyway.

 

[pudge]

Anyone know what he is referring to?

I think it's been overturned.

...pity

 

[SebastianBlue]

I think that’s called priapism.....

If you had only seen the things my iPad did with autocorrect typing that...

 

[SebastianBlue]

I wouldn't mind a breakdown on why party coalition is not workable, if you don't mind?

Thanks.

Organised, formal third parties can’t get big enough. I thought that was evident from my post?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I've a feeling that once Biden gets over 270 the fire will go out of this. The GOP will start looking to the post Trump future and you'll start to see key republican players slide away from Trump and edge towards the door. You're seeing it already, there's only the inner circle lunatics and his bizarre family left.

I fear the opposite. Trump will milk his notoriety for all its worth in the weeks, months and years to follow.

He or one of his malign spawn will for sure run next time, and will likely be a shoe in for Rep nominee, given the extreme nature of the party now, and the cult of personality.

Nearly 50% of Americans saw what Trump is, and voted for more. That's the sad reality.

 

[The blue phantom]

605,000 votes left to count in pen

Georgia 65,000 left to count

CNN estimates

I think Pennsylvania is in the bag for Joe, Georgia flick of a coin now.

 

[ballinio]

Frying pan into the fire

 

[mccity]

For those just joining us, welcome to the neverending election.

This election's not got shit on the Messi madness fortnight back in August.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I think more likely is it gets to 270, then there's an almighty court battle and electoral reform comes about as a compromise or as a development from that.

Maybe. I definitely agree there will be a court battle, as I alluded to earlier.

The electoral reform still takes a constitutional amendment, though, so it may all be an exercise in futility if that is the case.

Unless of course the political dynamic (specifically polarisation) across Congress and the US changes considerably over the next decade or so.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

This election might last longer than the "isco to city" transfer rumours.