hilts
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Finally a well thought out reply although I don't see it that way.
2024 Grand National 13th April
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Finally a well thought out reply although I don't see it that way.
markbmcfc
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Some absolutely terrible opinions in here from people who have quite clearly spent absolutely no time with horses or in environments in the horse racing industry.
Anyway, look forward to the faux outrage going away after Saturday for another year.
Anyway, look forward to the faux outrage going away after Saturday for another year.
supercity88
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How do you see it out of interest?
hilts
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I don't think it's right that if animals become too much of a nuisance to humans we have the right to use and abuse them for our pleasure. Horse Racing at the end of the day is just a sport. I believe a participant in any sport should be consensual.
The debate about the food chain and protecting ourselves and other species is a complicated one but shit loads of horses die just so someone can have a flutter on the 1430 at Kempton.
They have shit put in their mouths, they are whipped, they regularly break legs and bleed from their lungs. In my view some twat in William Hills addiction is not a valid reason.
My view is always would we treat humans this way?, if not is there no alternative to what we are doing?
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Well this **** has dropped lucky and been given the grand national special to work out of crime street after....
Hopefully the train will just be full of woman with their tits falling out rather than angry scousers kicking fuck out of each other.
Hopefully the train will just be full of woman with their tits falling out rather than angry scousers kicking fuck out of each other.
hilts
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A view that I can guarantee you and every other poster has broken on here many a time.
Humans don't like being told they can be pretty shitty, tough luck I care about your thread reading pleasure about as much as you do for the well being of horses.
Btw I have only replied to posts directed at me so your angst can be solved quite easily mucker:-)
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Take it you’ll be having a bet then
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You’re obviously quite entitled to your point of view Hilts, but I do find it primarily based on emotion and not enough on fact or understanding.
On the whole, horses are bred for human use, much the same as cattle, sheep, and pigs to name a few. No use for them, no horses, it’s as simple as that.
The vision of happy horses frolicking freely around the countryside is laughable to be honest.
I can understand your disappointment regarding the fact that horses occasionally die in racing, but contrary to your belief, you’re not on your own, because the vast majority interested in racing feel the same.
However, horses don’t need to be competing to find an untimely death, I feel you just don’t get to hear of them.
A few weeks ago a horse named Highfield Princess died following an accident in her stall, further back in time Viking Flagship earned a long and happy retirement, but broke a leg while being exercised and Limestone Lad recently died at the age of 32. Eldar Eldarov recently hurt his neck from a stalls issue at the start of a race and the owners flew in two specialists from the US to assess and operate on him. He’ll never race again and probably wouldn’t handle going to stud as a result of his injuries.
Poor Red Rum was inexcusably and brutally made to race in the Grand National (a much more difficult race in those days) FIVE TIMES!! It’s obvious he disliked it, because of those five runs, he won it three times and came second twice. For some horses the challenges of the Grand National bring out the best in horses.
Instances like this are common throughout the sport of horse racing.
There is a farm not far from me where there is a large field full of horses, every single one of them is destined for slaughter. When they have gone, there will be another seventy or hundred to replace them.
The Racehorse Owners Association have a very robust program for ex-racehorses called the Retraining Of Racehorses and many, many have gone on to have meaningful retirements in other fields such as dressage and showjumping, but of course you don’t agree with that either.
What would you do with ex-racehorses (or any horses used by humans), just let them run wild to fend for themselves or slaughter them and just keep a few in a zoo?
As to whether horses enjoy racing. Well, you can’t make one run if it doesn’t want to and there have been numerous occasions where horses found it difficult to settle into retirement after a life of racing and have been brought back to race again.
You have a total lack of understanding regarding owners and trainers. Of course there are some bad apples in the sport, as in any sport, but aside from those few, horses are treated with the utmost respect and loving care. Athletes like Kevin De Bryne and Erling Haaland etc have the best dietary and medical care and racehorses are no different. It’s in the owners/trainers best interest to make sure their horses are in the best physical and mental condition as possible.
You need to do two things with regard to the whip before you make wild and inaccurate comments. First, familiarize yourself with the rules and how they have been changed and second, get your hands on a present day whip and judge the impact on a 1200lb horse under racing conditions. I’ve probably put this argument forward before, but when I’m playing football and I get a kick, I hardly feel it, if at all. If you were to apply that same kick to me while I was stood in front of you, I’m in no doubt it would hurt. It’s the same with the whip.
Just a comment to your point, “My view is always, would we treat humans this way?” We treat humans despicably. People have their lives prolonged under medical care, many under extreme and constant pain, yet if we treated a dog or horse like that, we’d be locked up!!
If you (and others) were TRULY CONCERNED about animal cruelty, then you should really focus your efforts on genuine cruelty such as the multitude of puppy farms and dog fighting. Perhaps that’s a little more dangerous and having any success from the safety of a keyboard is more difficult, especially compared to having a cheap and easy bash at horse racing.
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