2024 Grand National 13th April

supercity88 said:
I get your concerns over their welfare. Lots get killed that don't make the cut as racehorses. We don't kill horses to eat them in this country, but if they were allowed to run wild and free we would have to cull them to control numbers. There's no scenario where horses get to live wild and free without human interference sadly.
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They do in the yukon , loads of wild horses there
 
kaz7 said:
They do in the yukon , loads of wild horses there
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The Yukon is twice the size of the UK and I am sure they cull plenty of the horses to control numbers. Horses breed like rabbits and you have to control their populations.
 
hilts said:
The grand national has horses so it was on topic doh!

I'm against all cruelty to animals but things can become complicated morally, I said this pages ago do keep up. There is no need to breed race horses for sport, tis as simple as that. It's only you trying to argue against a very obvious point.

You either think it's incorrect to breed horses that will suffer abuse and sometimes death or you don't care because its in your interests not to.

Your whataboutery doesn't change this, dead animals don't bother you but losing an argument on a football forum seems to.

Odd fellow.
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'complicated morally', you are either against cruelty or not.........or is it selective cruelty and what social media gees you up on? When there are genuine issues of cruelty, you focus on horse racing.

In the 4.05 over the National fences, it was apparent early on that Reikers Island wasn't enjoying things and was pulled up. If a horse doesn't want to do it, there's nothing a jockey can do to make it, whip or no whip.

If you watched the 3.30 at Aintree, you would have seen a great finish where three horses gave everything to the line. I can assure you that although they had endured a great physical effort, none were at all distressed afterwards, actually very much the opposite.

Your points about horses being raced purely for money and entertainment, with the welfare of the horse ignored are well wide of the mark.

On the point of money, although there are considerable sums to be gained from racing, most owners don't actually profit from it. Another of your points that is exaggerated and inaccurate.

I wasn't aware that I was losing an argument. To the best of my ability, I've made points based on fact and not wild emotion.

“you don’t care because it’s in your interests not to.”

I'm sorry, but again you are simply ignoring what is said because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I said earlier that the vast majority of people connected with racing certainly do share your feelings about the death of a horse and I would be one of those.

As you don't believe humans should use horses for entertainment, I will ask you again, what would you do with the horse population that presently exists which is solely for human use?
 
Watched the race over the national fences and definitely safer now than ever, fences looked massive but very forgiving if the horses went through them they fell apart so much safer.
Horses still fell but got up and I don't think they were none the worse for the fall.
Bit like football has become less blood and thunder horse racing has also changed.
I loved the national and football back in the 70's and the country seemed to stop for the grand national and the FA cup final but don't seem the same now, could be the era we live in now with record and catch up available.
 
Slipper One said:
I'm not sure what you mean by 'complicated morally', you are either against cruelty or not.........or is it selective cruelty and what social media gees you up on? When there are genuine issues of cruelty, you focus on horse racing.

In the 4.05 over the National fences, it was apparent early on that Reikers Island wasn't enjoying things and was pulled up. If a horse doesn't want to do it, there's nothing a jockey can do to make it, whip or no whip.

If you watched the 3.30 at Aintree, you would have seen a great finish where three horses gave everything to the line. I can assure you that although they had endured a great physical effort, none were at all distressed afterwards, actually very much the opposite.

Your points about horses being raced purely for money and entertainment, with the welfare of the horse ignored are well wide of the mark.

On the point of money, although there are considerable sums to be gained from racing, most owners don't actually profit from it. Another of your points that is exaggerated and inaccurate.

I wasn't aware that I was losing an argument. To the best of my ability, I've made points based on fact and not wild emotion.

“you don’t care because it’s in your interests not to.”

I'm sorry, but again you are simply ignoring what is said because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I said earlier that the vast majority of people connected with racing certainly do share your feelings about the death of a horse and I would be one of those.

As you don't believe humans should use horses for entertainment, I will ask you again, what would you do with the horse population that presently exists which is solely for human use?
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Yep you're definitely a fucking idiot and going on ignore. Never done that before, congrats on being the dumbest poster ever on here. Some accomplishment.
 
mackenzie said:
It's like sodding Groundhog Day on here. We have the same argument about the Grand National every year, and have done for years.
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Just wait until St George's Day.

It makes City Bingo pale into insignificance

I'm going for

White van man
Gammon
Little Englanders
Last Night of the Proms
Racist
He wasn't even English
Flag waving
GBNews

Is that a full house?
 
hilts said:
Yep you're definitely a fucking idiot and going on ignore. Never done that before, congrats on being the dumbest poster ever on here. Some accomplishment.
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OK, no problem.

Thank you for the accolade as the 'dumbest poster ever' though. I consider that quite an achievement, especially when compared to some of the competition I was up against and I'll give an honourable mention to some of your efforts in that as well. Surely you must have run me a close second?
What happens next, do I get a medal, plaque, my name highlighted every time I post? I'm just unsure.

Anyway, that aside. I see your dilemma, you don't have any answers to my questions, but that's not a problem, I think I know the answers anyway.

Now I'm going to go and get myself a drink to celebrate my award, I'm dead chuffed.
 
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