24 | Joško Gvardiol - 2023/24

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He cost what he did because of his performances at centre back. He‘s a better centre back than Aké but not very good as a left back, because that’s not his position.

I think when availability and fitness allow we should start this as our first choice back four every league and CL game. Defenders need consistency and getting used to each other’s positions as a back four. Gvardiol is clearly a centre back. Dias has been poor this season and needs time on the bench unless Stones is unavailable.
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I dont even think he would be bad at LB in a more standard team albeit not a natural one. LB in current City set up is about spending almost more time on opponent half and having huge space behind you and offer width in attacks even if just by standing at the byline and not involved too much. not really a wingback as a wingback would really hug the touchline and play crosses, one twos etc. but this role is still closer to a wingback role than a standard LB role.

originally I thought we either bed him in as a CB or we try to do with him what Stones did in the hybrid role. to use him as an offensive LB is a bit of a Pep tinkering.

funnily this role would be great for someone like Cancelo or Zinchenko.
 
Damanino said:
I dont even think he would be bad at LB in a more standard team albeit not a natural one. LB in current City set up is about spending almost more time on opponent half and having huge space behind you and offer width in attacks even if just by standing at the byline and not involved too much. not really a wingback as a wingback would really hug the touchline and play crosses, one twos etc. but this role is still closer to a wingback role than a standard LB role.
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yes Josko is playing a wingback role without wingback skillset (crossing and overlap run). So it looks very odd on that side. I wonder when that wonderkid Barco comes, will we see Barco as wingback and Josko in CB position?

I guess that it is the way Pep tris to solve the left 8 problem. Grealish is actually playing Bernado role in 21/22 season as a left 8 plus some left winger responsibilities. Bernado has to be on the right wing because god know why Tikki sold 2 right wingers and bought a left winger instead.

Really not Josko's fault. Let's buy a real left back and put this behind.
 
applejuice said:
yes Josko is playing a wingback role without wingback skillset (crossing and overlap run). So it looks very odd on that side. I wonder when that wonderkid Barco comes, will we see Barco as wingback and Josko in CB position?

I guess that it is the way Pep tris to solve the left 8 problem. Grealish is actually playing Bernado role in 21/22 season as a left 8 plus some left winger responsibilities. Bernado has to be on the right wing because god know why Tikki sold 2 right wingers and bought a left winger instead.

Really not Josko's fault. Let's buy a real left back and put this behind.
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Doku had played most of his football on the right before he came to City, he might go back there when we have him and Jack fit and in form at the same time.
 
Damanino said:
I dont even think he would be bad at LB in a more standard team albeit not a natural one. LB in current City set up is about spending almost more time on opponent half and having huge space behind you and offer width in attacks even if just by standing at the byline and not involved too much. not really a wingback as a wingback would really hug the touchline and play crosses, one twos etc. but this role is still closer to a wingback role than a standard LB role.

originally I thought we either bed him in as a CB or we try to do with him what Stones did in the hybrid role. to use him as an offensive LB is a bit of a Pep tinkering.

funnily this role would be great for someone like Cancelo or Zinchenko.
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Even if we used him in the exact same role we did Ake last season (basically a LCB of a three) he would be fine imo.
 
Damanino said:
I dont even think he would be bad at LB in a more standard team albeit not a natural one. LB in current City set up is about spending almost more time on opponent half and having huge space behind you and offer width in attacks even if just by standing at the byline and not involved too much. not really a wingback as a wingback would really hug the touchline and play crosses, one twos etc. but this role is still closer to a wingback role than a standard LB role.

originally I thought we either bed him in as a CB or we try to do with him what Stones did in the hybrid role. to use him as an offensive LB is a bit of a Pep tinkering.

funnily this role would be great for someone like Cancelo or Zinchenko.
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Spot on. If the system requires the left back to play as a winger then just go all in and play Gomez.
 
Shades of Franco Baresi when it comes to marauding forwards from cb. Great to see him in his natural position for the first time.
 
vanchi said:
well he somehow managed to flop to 5th best lb in the world according to cies.

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He would have been even better playing his natural position, too. Some comments about him this season have been disgraceful. One of our better players this season, without a pre-season, at 21 in a new league and country.
 
Haaland94 said:
He would have been even better playing his natural position, too. Some comments about him this season have been disgraceful. One of our better players this season, without a pre-season, at 21 in a new league and country.
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i agree.

nothing to do with gvardiol but i noticed city players who play in different positions end up seriously underrated (not cies, in general). it’s like they don’t fit the usual boxes so they get excluded. ederson, walker, haaland, akanji and dias at cb - all top of their categories for example. not ake though, probably because he’s playing both positions.

i think that could be the reason stones didn’t get a ballon d’or nomination (plus maybe injuries). he’s an outside the box player. i also read a theory that bernardo is not a great player because he’s playing many positions for pep, a great player would make pep keep him in one position. the same for foden.

anyway, i still believe joško’s a cb and needs to play in that position.
 
vanchi said:
i agree.

nothing to do with gvardiol but i noticed city players who play in different positions end up seriously underrated (not cies, in general). it’s like they don’t fit the usual boxes so they get excluded. ederson, walker, haaland, akanji and dias at cb - all top of their categories for example. not ake though, probably because he’s playing both positions.

i think that could be the reason stones didn’t get a ballon d’or nomination (plus maybe injuries). he’s an outside the box player. i also read a theory that bernardo is not a great player because he’s playing many positions for pep, a great player would make pep keep him in one position. the same for foden.

anyway, i still believe joško’s a cb and needs to play in that position.
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Anyone putting about a theory that Bernardo is not a great player needs to be taken out back and shot. It would be a mercy killing.
 
Thought he did well tonight after being thrown on in difficult circumstances. Solid defensively and kept the ball well. Crossing still leaves a bit to be desired, but he’s not a natural full-back so hardly his fault!
 
Played well didn't give the ball away, sure I saw him on the edge of their box wanting a through ball haha. I wanted him to play centre back when he came on but Pep knows more than me.
 
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