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He’ll get more minutes when we start playing 3 times a week.
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#47 | Phil Foden - 2019/20 Performances
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kaz7
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Ever thought kids are different in their developement,size,stamina,growth? phil said recently he can feel he has one last growth spurt to come,he is not panicing nor wanting a loan,pep said on friday he is not going on loanMost posters on here didn’t mention him getting a start though ... they have mentioned him coming on in a game already won for 30 minutes.
Posters are concerned he isn’t going to develop or get enough minutes this season. Perfectly reasonable thing to think. Especially when we can see other youngsters around his age getting game time - sangho, mount, Arnold ....
You seem to just accept everything pep and the club do. You can disagree with it you know. If he ends up getting lots of minutes then great, but if he doesn’t and ends up leaving, like sancho then that would be ridiculous
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Ever thought kids are different in their developement,size,stamina,growth? phil said recently he can feel he has one last growth spurt to come,he is not panicing nor wanting a loan,pep said on friday he is not going on loan
Never... obviously younger players develop at different speeds. My argument to that is you develop as a footballer by playing - not sitting in the stands every week. How on earth do you know he hasn’t considered a loan move or leaving and being successful like his mate Sancho.
I’m going to be if he’s played a similar amount of games to last season he will leave. Pep may have said that, but if he wants to leave he will......
Also why are you so against young players getting a chance, on every thread your arguing why foden ( one of most talented youngster in Europe) shouldn’t be playing or justifying why he shouldn’t play. Most people want to see a talented young players get a chance, other then you
Never... obviously younger players develop at different speeds. My argument to that is you develop as a footballer by playing - not sitting in the stands every week. How on earth do you know he hasn’t considered a loan move or leaving and being successful like his mate Sancho.
I’m going to be if he’s played a similar amount of games to last season he will leave. Pep may have said that, but if he wants to leave he will......
Also why are you so against young players getting a chance, on every thread your arguing why foden ( one of most talented youngster in Europe) shouldn’t be playing or justifying why he shouldn’t play. Most people want to see a talented young players get a chance, other then you
Conversely he will also develop by being a part of the best squad on the face of this earth.
Just because he is talented doesnt give him a divine right to opportunity or minutes, even less so in a squad like the one we have.
He isn't going to unsurp seasoned squad players in this team. He isn't ready to do so.
When he is, he will play, and he will play because Pep believes he is ready to do so.
If he leaves, he leaves. That's life. (Though I sincerely hope he doesnt) :-)
kaz7
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I'm just putting reasons why,shouting sancho is not helpful is it really,i watch/read what he says,i post it in this thread,if people can't be arsed to read it i'm not going to keep posting it,pep on friday says he is still very shy,he has to talk to him as phil is showing him too much respect still,pep wants hungry players and maybe phil is not pushing himself in the same way sancho did,it's not just stick him on the pitch,it's a pep team,we haven't done as well as we have without trusting him,phil is around the best team the prem has ever seen but you want him in ahead of the others,dave is winding down,phil will play more ready to take his place along with bernie,he needs to assert himself more and really push to get in ahead of someone else,i really want him to be with us a long time i'm just not blind to what it takes for him to get thereNever... obviously younger players develop at different speeds. My argument to that is you develop as a footballer by playing - not sitting in the stands every week. How on earth do you know he hasn’t considered a loan move or leaving and being successful like his mate Sancho.
I’m going to be if he’s played a similar amount of games to last season he will leave. Pep may have said that, but if he wants to leave he will......
Also why are you so against young players getting a chance, on every thread your arguing why foden ( one of most talented youngster in Europe) shouldn’t be playing or justifying why he shouldn’t play. Most people want to see a talented young players get a chance, other then you
Carry on shouting sancho,it won't change a thing
I don’t know if I would call it an obsession, but the idea that young players develop best by playing regular football isn’t exactly controversial, pretty much everyone agrees on that actually. Remember when Pep Guardiola, the guy we agreed knows best two pages back, called for B teams in England when he got here?Because hes learning all the time just by being a part of it.
There is an obsession on here with the kids playing regular football.
That isn't going to make or break their development.
He is in the perfect environment to continue learning.
“I think the reserve league for the young players is not good enough. They compete in these second teams but it is not a good league. In Spain, the second teams in Barcelona and Madrid play in front of 40,000-45,000 people in Barcelona, Madrid. Here, they play with no spectators. It’s not strong enough and that’s why it’s so difficult for the English players sometimes at big clubs like City. It's a real problem for English football. It would good for young players to compete in a strong league, against strong teams and against players older and physically stronger than them.”
“They’d play for the second team of United, City, Tottenham and they compete with Newcastle playing in front of huge [numbers of] fans. That is the future of English football."
“In Italy or Germany they are so tough, so demanding, they are playing with guys who are 28, 29 or 30 and that is the best way to improve, not training with the first team sometimes. Here they don’t compete, they don’t play with each other, they are good guys but after they have to play in Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge.”
Those quotes don’t strike me as someone who thinks training with the first team is at all sufficient for readying players for first team football, pretty much the opposite actually.
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I don’t know if I would call it an obsession, but the idea that young players develop best by playing regular football isn’t exactly controversial, pretty much everyone agrees on that actually. Remember when Pep Guardiola, the guy we agreed knows best two pages back, called for B teams in England when he got here?
“I think the reserve league for the young players is not good enough. They compete in these second teams but it is not a good league. In Spain, the second teams in Barcelona and Madrid play in front of 40,000-45,000 people in Barcelona, Madrid. Here, they play with no spectators. It’s not strong enough and that’s why it’s so difficult for the English players sometimes at big clubs like City. It's a real problem for English football. It would good for young players to compete in a strong league, against strong teams and against players older and physically stronger than them.”
“They’d play for the second team of United, City, Tottenham and they compete with Newcastle playing in front of huge [numbers of] fans. That is the future of English football."
“In Italy or Germany they are so tough, so demanding, they are playing with guys who are 28, 29 or 30 and that is the best way to improve, not training with the first team sometimes. Here they don’t compete, they don’t play with each other, they are good guys but after they have to play in Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge.”
Those quotes don’t strike me as someone who thinks training with the first team is at all sufficient for readying players for first team football, pretty much the opposite actually.
The flip side of that is he could be on loan somewhere where hes not getting instruction from pep etc and learning from the best in the business everyday like Dave and ginger kev.
Pre season was a shitshow, pep pretty much admitted it and now hes getting minutes in the legs of the guys who need them. Phil will get more minutes this year than he did last year and if he gets the same minutes then he knows hes stepping into Dave's spot next year. To suggest hes going to look for opportunities elsewhere suggests your talking out of your hoop.
In addition Phil isnt in a position like sancho who has complete freedom in a system perfectly suited to his main attribute - his pace and skill on the ball. Phil is in a position where hes knitting attacks together not just waiting to break into acres of space on a counter.
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In 17/18 he logged 328 minutes. In 18/19 he logged 1112. I’m sure he’ll get close to 2000 this season which is more than enough game time in Dave’s final season.
Pep will do right by Phil I’m sure of it.
Pep will do right by Phil I’m sure of it.
In 17/18 he logged 328 minutes. In 18/19 he logged 1112. I’m sure he’ll get close to 2000 this season which is more than enough game time in Dave’s final season.
Pep will do right by Phil I’m sure of it.
If he gets that I think everyone will be fine. Just gonna have to start getting some of those minutes soon as that's 22 full games.
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