47 | Phil Foden - 2022/23

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twosips said:
Ah I had no idea that you spoke for the majority! Good to know. Even then the majority have been fed one narrative and will happily parrot what they hear a commentator or a pundit says as fact without questioning it. As a city fan you should know that.
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The fuck do you think you are that your word is gospel and that if anyone disagrees, it’s because they’ve been fed a media narrative? Jesus, take a day off. We disagree, the majority of the posts in here post match also disagree with you. Deal with it.
 
davyhulme blue said:
Distracted ffs potentially 2 up
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A football game has a 10000 different moments, it's too easy to do counter narratives and laser focus on one thing. Haaland also had a couple of chances that he might have put away, and every game is going to have half chances where players can do a couple of things and if they don't score it looks wrong. The point is we scored three yesterday, which should be enough to win any game of football, but we conceded three with obvious patterns of play. That to me is more worrying.
 
the point is at 2up we would have took the wind out of their sales , it’s that simple . Was a great game but we should of put it to bed then imo .
 
SWP's back said:
The fuck do you think you are that your word is gospel and that if anyone disagrees, it’s because they’ve been fed a media narrative? Jesus, take a day off. We disagree, the majority of the posts in here post match also disagree with you. Deal with it.
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Ha! Amazing. Mate, you've just said i'm over inflating my own view when you literally just made it out that you speak for the majority. Come on. You're still at with the 'we' stuff too! Can you let me know who this 'we' is?

You disagree, sure, but you literally do not speak for blues. Nor do I. It's your take. That's fine, but don't act like some posts on here are representative, hold any power or make your view truthful. It's obviously an over simplification. People love a fucking moan, we all know this. Of course some disgruntled people are gonna come here and moan. It's all most people use this forum for.

I'm not saying im right, cos you all might be, but unsurprisingly some pissed off posts on here doesn't prove anything. By that reasoning it makes Pep actually overrated and a fraud without money because most of red cafe and rawk think he is, which is obviously bullshit. Popular opinion isnt always a right one. I'm fine with that, cos that's life.

Anyway, away from that nonsense. The Foden debate reminds me of the Haaland moment vs Bayern.

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He decided to pass. If he'd shot he'd have got his shot off and the defender wouldn't have been able to stop it. The defender was *miles* off him but slowing down to take the pass, and the angle the ball had to travel, meant it was cut out. Passing and wrapping your foot down around it can slow you down and give the defender a better chance. I'm convinced that Foden attempting to cut it back *could*, not definitely, cos i cant prove it, but could have been cut out. Really reasonable chance it could have been IMO, cos we've seen it a tonne over the years and got frustrated by a City player choosing to try and pass it there and not put their laces through it. I don't think it was even close to an egregious mistake and i reckon everyone has made a huge mountain out of a molehill.
 
twosips said:
Ah I had no idea that you spoke for the majority! Good to know. Even then the majority have been fed one narrative and will happily parrot what they hear a commentator or a pundit says as fact without questioning it. As a city fan you should know that.
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Pep certainly wasn't particularly happy. Phil should have passed. Two in two games.
 
davyhulme blue said:
the point is at 2up we would have took the wind out of their sales , it’s that simple . Was a great game but we should of put it to bed then imo .
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I thought KDBs shot straight at the keeper in similar circumstances where Haaland was coming in at the back post was very similar but I've not read post after post digging him out for it (which is good BTW)
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Pep certainly wasn't particularly happy. Phil should have passed. Two in two games.
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I'm not sure Pep's views, 50 yards away, from a touchline angle, are anything other than frustration that we wasted an opportunity. I'm sure it doesn't mean that Foden got it absolutely wrong. Maybe he did, but even Pep would be the first to admit that he'd need to watch something back before judging something. It's only fair.
 
Phil1 said:
I thought KDBs shot straight at the keeper in similar circumstances where Haaland was coming in at the back post was very similar but I've not read post after post digging him out for it (which is good BTW)
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Agreed And similar with gundogan , but that’s my views on Phil at the mo .
 
Anyone sat there complaining Phil isn't Messi needs to have a word with themselves. Those kind of expectations are just setting him up to fail.

He's a talented young player who's still playing very well but not currently hitting quite the same heights he has in the past. We're right to hold him to high standards, but wrong to treat any one match or moment as any kind of harbinger of doom.

If Pep thinks he's making the wrong decisions in the box, he'll spend time working with him on that decision-making, and will drop him for someone who makes better decisions if he feels he has to.

The instances last week and this - if he shoots and scores, we hardly mention it. If he passes to Haaland and the defender or keeper intercepts, or Haaland misses, perhaps there's people here worried we're looking for Haaland too much and maybe Phil should have shot. The "right" choice is always clear in hindsight.

Phil's going to be fine. He's still learning, and maybe the Haaland relationship will take a little while to really get going. But at the end of the season we'll be looking at him again as a player without whom we simply couldn't achieve whatever success we manage.
 
twosips said:
I'm not sure Pep's views, 50 yards away, from a touchline angle, are anything other than frustration that we wasted an opportunity. I'm sure it doesn't mean that Foden got it absolutely wrong. Maybe he did, but even Pep would be the first to admit that he'd need to watch something back before judging something. It's only fair.
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Maybe mate. Just having played football at a reasonable level, its my opinion. A pass with the inside of his left foot at that moment is a better bet than trying to beat Pope. Pope is ready to defend the shot so has no chance of intercepting a squarish pass. Its not a shoe in or inevitable, just that I believe in playing to probability and I believe the probability is higher if Phil plays a nice cushioned square pass into Haalands path.

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twosips said:
I'm not sure Pep's views, 50 yards away, from a touchline angle, are anything other than frustration that we wasted an opportunity. I'm sure it doesn't mean that Foden got it absolutely wrong. Maybe he did, but even Pep would be the first to admit that he'd need to watch something back before judging something. It's only fair.
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I agree with Steven he can "read people".
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Maybe mate. Just having played football at a reasonable level, its my opinion. A pass with the inside of his left foot at that moment is a better bet than trying to beat Pope. Pope is ready to defend the shot so has no chance of intercepting a squarish pass. Its not a shoe in or inevitable, just that I believe in playing to probability and I believe the probability is higher if Phil plays a nice cushioned square pass into Haalands path.

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Sure, though I posted this image a few pages back which is a lot closer to the ball being released, where the defender shows (IMO) that he could have gotten his foot to it if Foden had to wrap his boot around and pull it back, which is a slower action cos it requires a softer touch. Defender hasn't committed in that screenshot you shared, so he looks further away than he is.

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guess none of us can fully prove it either way. Personally maintain that it isnt a big deal at all really and we're only all frustrated because of the bournemouth one and the fact we dropped points
 
twosips said:
Sure, though I posted this image a few pages back which is a lot closer to the ball being released, where the defender shows (IMO) that he could have gotten his foot to it if Foden had to wrap his boot around and pull it back, which is a slower action cos it requires a softer touch. Defender hasn't committed in that screenshot you shared, so he looks further away than he is.

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guess none of us can fully prove it either way. Personally maintain that it isnt a big deal at all really and we're only all frustrated because of the bournemouth one and the fact we dropped points
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I think squaring the ball in a way that the keeper or defender doesn't cut out is harder to do than scoring, but I think the point is there isn't a clear and obvious decision and the chance is a half chance at best.
 
It is two games in a row now Foden has cost a goal opportunity by not passing and being selfish. He needs time on bench to get the message looks like.
 
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