5 | John Stones - 2022/23

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NQCitizen said:
If we don't concede an inch perfect cutback and ridiculously hard strike that one decision is completely forgotten. Stones has been our best defender by some distance so far this season.
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Simply not true. John is not on his best level.
 
NQCitizen said:
If we don't concede an inch perfect cutback and ridiculously hard strike that one decision is completely forgotten. Stones has been our best defender by some distance so far this season.
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Stones is a fan favorite, and people give him slack that would never be given to people like Mahrez or even KDB. It doesn't matter how well you play; a defender main job is to be focused and avoid stupid mistakes. He did awful on the goal.
- An easy header to Ederson and there is no goal.
- Once he decided to head it away you HAVE TO head it to the sides, not to the fucking center.

Those are two amateur mistakes, and an elite defender cannot make those type of things
 
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He's not quite up to speed yet but I fancy him and Dias to sew up that back line for a while again. He's still out best passer out
 
city warrior said:
Stones is a fan favorite, and people give him slack that would never be given to people like Mahrez or even KDB. It doesn't matter how well you play; a defender main job is to be focused and avoid stupid mistakes. He did awful on the goal.
- An easy header to Ederson and there is no goal.
- Once he decided to head it away you HAVE TO head it to the sides, not to the fucking center.

Those are two amateur mistakes, and an elite defender cannot make those type of things
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He made half a mistake, which we could have rectified before they scored.

I doubt any footballer has ever had a faultless display in the history of the game.

Stones will be disappointed with himself when he sees it back. He obviously didn’t see the picture at the time and all he can do is learn from it and not do the same again, if possible.

This doesn’t make him an amateur, or any other hyperbolic adjective you want to choose.

Our forwards and midfielders made more mistakes today than our defence. That’s why we drew.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
He made half a mistake, which we could have rectified before they scored.

I doubt any footballer has ever had a faultless display in the history of the game.

Stones will be disappointed with himself when he sees it back. He obviously didn’t see the picture at the time and all he can do is learn from it and not do the same again, if possible.

This doesn’t make him an amateur, or any other hyperbolic adjective you want to choose.

Our forwards and midfielders made more mistakes today than our defence. That’s why we drew.
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Half a mistake? Again, when you are a defender, you always clear away to the sides. That's basic stuff, and the main job of a defender and GK is to avoid stupid and amateur mistakes. Clearly Stones is a great footballer, but his focus is not that great.

A mistake from a forward or MC cannot be compared to Stones mistakes. Any MC and forward has to have 5 times the number of mistakes of a defender, and if they don't, they are probably playing too safe.

We drew because of Stones mistake, just like Rodri did a stupid mistake before. Forwards will fail goals, but I don't think anyone fail a super easy goal, but again, defenders must keep the focus and the basics at all times. The best defenders are not the ones with more class, or the best passers, or the ones who make everything seem easy, but the ones who very rarely lose focus and make mistakes.
 
city warrior said:
Half a mistake? Again, when you are a defender, you always clear away to the sides. That's basic stuff, and the main job of a defender and GK is to avoid stupid and amateur mistakes. Clearly Stones is a great footballer, but his focus is not that great.

A mistake from a forward or MC cannot be compared to Stones mistakes. Any MC and forward has to have 5 times the number of mistakes of a defender, and if they don't, they are probably playing too safe.

We drew because of Stones mistake, just like Rodri did a stupid mistake before. Forwards will fail goals, but I don't think anyone fail a super easy goal, but again, defenders must keep the focus and the basics at all times. The best defenders are not the ones with more class, or the best passers, or the ones who make everything seem easy, but the ones who very rarely lose focus and make mistakes.
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He did head the ball away.

If KDB or Haaland had taken their chances this “mistake” would have been irrelevant.

Forwards missing chances is the direct equivalent of defenders making mistakes.
 


Apologies for the poor quality, this is the only footage I could find off a quick search.

So - yeah, could have headed back to Ederson. But he is quite central and Bailey's on Ruben's heels so that option isn't risk free - too strong a header and he's making Ederson save him from an own goal, too weak a header and Bailey charges it down and has a one on one with the keeper in the box (note Ruben is facing away, so would see the ball after Bailey, in which time he could be passed without the opportunity to beat him to the ball).

Can't head it to Ruben or Cancelo for the same reason - Bailey's well positioned to intercept, and Watkins to pick up any second ball if they miscontrol. Walker's behind him and being closed down by Coutinho so that's a no-go too.

So the pass to Rodri - central, but pushing out a good distance away from goal - isn't actually a huge error, I don't think. It should be a safe pass.

Rodri's poor control, and decision to blindly pass back to his left into Villa traffic, instead of turning right and passing either to Cancelo or the midfielder behind him, is probably more of an error than Stones's header.

All in all I think Villa worked the goal well and it's harsh to blame it on Stones when his options were limited, Rodri subsequently lost the ball, and Cancelo probably should have closed Bailey down quicker.
 
Lauz9888 said:


Apologies for the poor quality, this is the only footage I could find off a quick search.

So - yeah, could have headed back to Ederson. But he is quite central and Bailey's on Ruben's heels so that option isn't risk free - too strong a header and he's making Ederson save him from an own goal, too weak a header and Bailey charges it down and has a one on one with the keeper in the box (note Ruben is facing away, so would see the ball after Bailey, in which time he could be passed without the opportunity to beat him to the ball).

Can't head it to Ruben or Cancelo for the same reason - Bailey's well positioned to intercept, and Watkins to pick up any second ball if they miscontrol. Walker's behind him and being closed down by Coutinho so that's a no-go too.

So the pass to Rodri - central, but pushing out a good distance away from goal - isn't actually a huge error, I don't think. It should be a safe pass.

Rodri's poor control, and decision to blindly pass back to his left into Villa traffic, instead of turning right and passing either to Cancelo or the midfielder behind him, is probably more of an error than Stones's header.

All in all I think Villa worked the goal well and it's harsh to blame it on Stones when his options were limited, Rodri subsequently lost the ball, and Cancelo probably should have closed Bailey down quicker.
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I think the fact there are only 1 or 2 out of thousands even trying to blame it on Stones tells its own story.
 
Lauz9888 said:


Apologies for the poor quality, this is the only footage I could find off a quick search.

So - yeah, could have headed back to Ederson. But he is quite central and Bailey's on Ruben's heels so that option isn't risk free - too strong a header and he's making Ederson save him from an own goal, too weak a header and Bailey charges it down and has a one on one with the keeper in the box (note Ruben is facing away, so would see the ball after Bailey, in which time he could be passed without the opportunity to beat him to the ball).

Can't head it to Ruben or Cancelo for the same reason - Bailey's well positioned to intercept, and Watkins to pick up any second ball if they miscontrol. Walker's behind him and being closed down by Coutinho so that's a no-go too.

So the pass to Rodri - central, but pushing out a good distance away from goal - isn't actually a huge error, I don't think. It should be a safe pass.

Rodri's poor control, and decision to blindly pass back to his left into Villa traffic, instead of turning right and passing either to Cancelo or the midfielder behind him, is probably more of an error than Stones's header.

All in all I think Villa worked the goal well and it's harsh to blame it on Stones when his options were limited, Rodri subsequently lost the ball, and Cancelo probably should have closed Bailey down quicker.
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Rodri not only gave the ball away, he hardly bust his gut to stop the cross coming in either. Rodri was crap today.
 
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