50 loyalty points for notts county

wireblue said:
Matty said:
But the restaurant exampel you've used isn't the same argument you were making.

The same argument would be for me to pay £500 at the start of the year for 19 meals whereas you save up each week and occasionally go for an "early bird special" at £15 a meal.

Also what you're not takign into consideration is those who pay up front run the risk of later circumstances meaning they've paid for a game they subsequently can't attend. If you're a citycard holder and you can't make a game you don't buy that game, simple. I, assuming we beat Notts County, can't make the Fulham game as it'll be moved to the Sunday and I'm in Prague on a stag do. I also, unless the game is moved for TV, can't make the West Ham game on the 30th April as the wedding for the stag do I'm on for the Fulham game is on that day. I have already paid approx £27 for each of those games. I should be rewarded more than a pay-as-you-go fan for this initial outlay.

If at the end of the year the restaurant threw a big party to their loyal customers i can guarantee the people they ask to go along first would be the people who pay for all their meals up front rather than on an ad hoc basis. Why? Because guaranteed income is worth more to a business than someone who goes every now and again

What i am trying to say is that loyalty should not be based on how much money you spend, in the example i used i view both as loyal, one because he goes every week and the other one because he saves up to go every month, but if the restaurant was to throw a big end of year party the one who spends £50 every week would get a place ahead of the one who saves up and goes nowhere else but there once a month purely because the first person has spent the most money which IMO is wrong.
 
The old voucher system worked reasonably well. You had to go to the games where the voucher was available if you wanted to go to the big game that might be coming downstream that season. (Or at least get a mate to buy the program ;-)

Those who supported in the lesser games got the big game if it happened. The fact that you went years ago but didn't bother anymore was irrelevant then. Thats the way it should be now as well for me.

This is a compromise but is heading the right way.
 
WNRH said:
wireblue said:
If at the end of the year the restaurant threw a big party to their loyal customers i can guarantee the people they ask to go along first would be the people who pay for all their meals up front rather than on an ad hoc basis. Why? Because guaranteed income is worth more to a business than someone who goes every now and again

What i am trying to say is that loyalty should not be based on how much money you spend, in the example i used i view both as loyal, one because he goes every week and the other one because he saves up to go every month, but if the restaurant was to throw a big end of year party the one who spends £50 every week would get a place ahead of the one who saves up and goes nowhere else but there once a month purely because the first person has spent the most money which IMO is wrong.
Football clubs, and most certainly companies, view those who spend more as being of more worth to them. You might not liek it but it's true.

From a supporters perspective, if I'm shelling out £500+ in May for the upcoming season (which isn't always easy to do and, for me, involves loading a credit card up with the money and potentially accruing interest so it costs even more) then I expect to be treated better than someone who saves up and pays off in installments, especially if, as I mentioned above, I may well be paying in advance for something I later can't partake in.
 
WNRH said:
wireblue said:
If at the end of the year the restaurant threw a big party to their loyal customers i can guarantee the people they ask to go along first would be the people who pay for all their meals up front rather than on an ad hoc basis. Why? Because guaranteed income is worth more to a business than someone who goes every now and again

What i am trying to say is that loyalty should not be based on how much money you spend, in the example i used i view both as loyal, one because he goes every week and the other one because he saves up to go every month, but if the restaurant was to throw a big end of year party the one who spends £50 every week would get a place ahead of the one who saves up and goes nowhere else but there once a month purely because the first person has spent the most money which IMO is wrong.

I'm not a restaurant owner and i hate these analogies but i can guarantee you that the restaurant would consider someone who pays up front for all 18 meals they plan to have that year and gives the exact dates of when they will be going along to be a more loyal customer than someone who quite often phones up the day before to book a table and throughout the duration of that year spends less money overall than the person who pays up front.
Surely you must see that?????
 
Matty said:
But the restaurant exampel you've used isn't the same argument you were making.

The same argument would be for me to pay £500 at the start of the year for 19 meals whereas you save up each week and occasionally go for an "early bird special" at £15 a meal.

Also what you're not takign into consideration is those who pay up front run the risk of later circumstances meaning they've paid for a game they subsequently can't attend. If you're a citycard holder and you can't make a game you don't buy that game, simple. I, assuming we beat Notts County, can't make the Fulham game as it'll be moved to the Sunday and I'm in Prague on a stag do. I also, unless the game is moved for TV, can't make the West Ham game on the 30th April as the wedding for the stag do I'm on for the Fulham game is on that day. I have already paid approx £27 for each of those games. I should be rewarded more than a pay-as-you-go fan for this initial outlay.

You are in effect getting the early bird special as the season ticket over 19 games is cheaper than 19 individual tickets.

Also your season ticket guarantees you a ticket for every game - if you dont make that thats not really anyones fault. Im sure you wwould be able to sell them especially for £27 - how much would your seat cost on a one off basis?
 
johnmc said:
Matty said:
But the restaurant exampel you've used isn't the same argument you were making.

The same argument would be for me to pay £500 at the start of the year for 19 meals whereas you save up each week and occasionally go for an "early bird special" at £15 a meal.

Also what you're not takign into consideration is those who pay up front run the risk of later circumstances meaning they've paid for a game they subsequently can't attend. If you're a citycard holder and you can't make a game you don't buy that game, simple. I, assuming we beat Notts County, can't make the Fulham game as it'll be moved to the Sunday and I'm in Prague on a stag do. I also, unless the game is moved for TV, can't make the West Ham game on the 30th April as the wedding for the stag do I'm on for the Fulham game is on that day. I have already paid approx £27 for each of those games. I should be rewarded more than a pay-as-you-go fan for this initial outlay.

You are in effect getting the early bird special as the season ticket over 19 games is cheaper than 19 individual tickets.

Also your season ticket guarantees you a ticket for every game - if you dont make that thats not really anyones fault. Im sure you wwould be able to sell them especially for £27 - how much would your seat cost on a one off basis?
WRNH changed his tack mid-point. Originally his argument was that those buying cup games should get preferential treatment for the cup final. As those tickets are cheaper and less often than the league matches then he was indeed the one getting the Early Bird Special, once he changed tack to talk about buying the league games on a match by match basis it became different.

It's far more difficult to find £500+ all at once than it is to pay £550 in 19 installments over the space of 10 months, and as such those who pay the £500+ upfront are rewarded greater than those paying on a match by match basis. We both get 190 points for the 19 games, so on a match basis it's equal reward, the initial 1000 points I get for taking up the seasoncard is the reward I get for paying upfront.
 
Funny how the season ticket holders see this so differently to the none season ticket holders.

Also why does everyone assume because I'm not a season ticket holder I'm a kid and only just started supporting City?

I've been a city fan 29 years and been going to games so the poor arguements about, I watched us when we were shit don't wah with me

I never once questioned people with season tickets and points getting big away day tickets, you have a season ticket and attend all league games so you deserve to Go to the big away days.

But if you can't be arsed going to the uefa games and cup games in the earlier rounds but assume because you have a season ticket it entitles you to go to a final or semi then that's just bullshit. I don't go to uefa games because it's cheaper it just works out easier for me with work. Also I've been lucky that all the cup games have landed on weekends I can go. So again the you only buy the cheap tickets doesn't wash.

Anyway I fully expect more responses from "proper" city fans calling me a johny come lately and moaning because I'm not commited enough to buy a season ticket for the last 10 years but have the cheek to want to watch a final for a competition that I'd been to every previous round

Oh and finally the reason i don't have a season ticket isn't financial. It probably costs me more to buy tickets the way I do. The fact is I know I can't go to every game. Maybe I might have to buy a season ticket knowing full well my seat will be empty for certain games just to ensure I can get enough points to go to hopefully the more regular final trips
 
With regards to loyalty points for away games, some would say it was easier to go when tickets were £10 a person, therefore easy to accrue loads of points years ago when i was a kid and couldnt go. Now it's £40-£50 per away game, I spend nearly all the money I get on following City, and have done for a few years, it comes to Derby Day and all the old timers (no offence) come back out and I can't get a ticket.

Honestly don't think it's right and the club should be looking at fairer ways for YOUNGER (not Jonny-Come-Lately) fans.
 
SuperNotts said:
Notts have sold 800-1,000 on the first day of selling.
Of course you have, it's akin to our match at Old Trafford this weekend, people who never bother going to away games will come out of the woodwork for this one. How many did you take away to Sheffield Wednesday (picked due to stadium size so not as much of a restriction on your allocation)?
 

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