7 | Joao Cancelo - 2022/23 Performances

[kaz7]

You might want to reconsider your username…

Wish i had a pound for everyone that has said that to him , chief wum , lol

 

[Keeper!]

Sorry to derail the thread but did we have 4 Scottish strikes at one point Tolmie , Parlane and the 2 Gordon’s Smith and Dalziel ?

there were 2 Gordon Smiths?

Yes we did have Tolmie, Parlane, Dalziel ( a useful winger I seem to remember)

The Parlane, Tolmie duo was quality in that season, they were superb together.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

What I don't understand about someone like Cancelo is that the quickest route back to consistent football with Pep is giving everything in training and everything on the pitch. Pep, more than any manager I've seen, will forgive mistakes and errors on the pitch if he sees tactical discipline and execution of a game plan. He'll let players play into form if he sees they're doing what they've been told to do (Grealish and Mahrez better than any examples this season). Getting in a funk and losing your head is the quickest way to be out on your arse. Proper self-destructive behaviour.

It's a tough one but I do sort of understand why some people are like that, being hot-headed myself, especially in my youth. My work record is very good, but I've never stayed at one place more than 4 years because I feel the pull for something new after a very short time whereas others can stay at the same place doing the same thing for 30 years. If I stay too long at a company, I find it hard to stay positive and a part of a team, even going so far to encourage conflict (not physical of course) with managers or colleagues just because it leads to making my decision, or theirs, a little bit easier. It's very possible that Cancelo just gets bored and distracted too easily and craves new surroundings and challenges and this loan move just might give him time to decide which way is best for him. I think he'll work well at Bayern and decide to stay and I wish him well, but I wouldn't be disappointed to see him return - not sure many will welcome him back though. Everyone should be allowed to rethink their career decisions and it's harder for footballers because it's all crammed into such a short timeframe and he has the added tragedy in his past, one that has been important in driving him on to high levels.

 

[Roachy]

He was better than the other defenders at Old Trafford, but was treated like he was the worst and didn't play after that. What happened at Anfield was 3-4 months ago. And it's one thing to fail against Salah, it's another to fail against Garnacho...I like Ake for the same reasons Pep likes him, but he's far from perfect at LB. He's very limited in playing from the back and through the oppo's press, and that will be a problem in some games. It was a problem against a weakened Arsenal side, we had a very, very poor first half going forward.

Pep had his reasons to drop Cancelo after United, and I'm sure they weren't silly. The problem was mostly one of poor communication. Apparently, Lillo could communicate with Cancelo and explain things to him, which helped us win two titles in a row (with Cancelo assisting crucial goals vs United and Liverpool last season). Pep couldn't and things went out of control.

There was no fail against Salah, it was comic book defending. Anyway, in reference to your last sentence, what is it that Pep couldn't do?

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

It's a tough one but I do sort of understand why some people are like that, being hot-headed myself, especially in my youth. My work record is very good, but I've never stayed at one place more than 4 years because I feel the pull for something new after a very short time whereas others can stay at the same place doing the same thing for 30 years. If I stay too long at a company, I find it hard to stay positive and a part of a team, even going so far to encourage conflict (not physical of course) with managers or colleagues just because it leads to making my decision, or theirs, a little bit easier. It's very possible that Cancelo just gets bored and distracted too easily and craves new surroundings and challenges and this loan move just might give him time to decide which way is best for him. I think he'll work well at Bayern and decide to stay and I wish him well, but I wouldn't be disappointed to see him return - not sure many will welcome him back though. Everyone should be allowed to rethink their career decisions and it's harder for footballers because it's all crammed into such a short timeframe and he has the added tragedy in his past, one that has been important in driving him on to high levels.

Yeah, lots of good points here. Pep for us is a club legend, but for Cancelo he's just his boss and he knows he can go to another workplace at any point. I do think there are a lot of differences, but ultimately humans are humans and work is work no matter what sector you're in.

 

[alexmcity]

Anyway, in reference to your last sentence, what is it that Pep couldn't do?

Think the Athletic article explained Lillo's role in handling Cancelo and bringing the best out of him. Maybe Pep was a lot less patient in his communication with Cancelo than Lillo. It's natural to turn against Cancelo and call him names, but things may be more complicated than they seem to be.

Note that we were perfectly happy with Cancelo's character and presence last February and gave him a new long contract just 12 months ago. That was, what, 30 months after Pep started to work with him. They must have known his personality by that time pretty well.

 

[Roachy]

Think the Athletic article explained Lillo's role in handling Cancelo and bringing the best out of him. Maybe Pep was a lot less patient in his communication with Cancelo than Lillo. It's natural to turn against Cancelo and call him names, but things may be more complicated than they seem to be.

Note that we were perfectly happy with Cancelo's character and presence last February and gave him a new long contract just 12 months ago. That was, what, 30 months after Pep started to work with him. They must have known his personality by that time pretty well.

I'm not paying too much attention to The Athletic article tbh. The name calling by a few isn't required either. The facts are, for whatever reason or reasons, he's been inconsistent at best and awful far too often. For this reason, Pep's plonked him on the bench, other players have come in and done a better job and in all likelihood he's sulked. Other factors will be involved, but he's been flirted and it's best for all relevant parties.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Think the Athletic article explained Lillo's role in handling Cancelo and bringing the best out of him. Maybe Pep was a lot less patient in his communication with Cancelo than Lillo. It's natural to turn against Cancelo and call him names, but things may be more complicated than they seem to be.

Note that we were perfectly happy with Cancelo's character and presence last February and gave him a new long contract just 12 months ago. That was, what, 30 months after Pep started to work with him. They must have known his personality by that time pretty well.

I don't trust the narrative on here that Pep needs an assistant to tell him when to make substitutions, but I do think assistants have a big job in putting an arm over a player's shoulders or being the good cop when Pep is giving them a bollocking or the cold shoulder or bad cop treatment. Arteta seemed important for Jesus and Sterling, now Lillo for Cancelo and [???].

 

[alexmcity]

he's been inconsistent at best and awful far too often.

This may be an adequate description of a player at Stoke or Norwich but not of a player who played more minutes than any City defender for the last two titles and more minutes than any City pĺayer over the last 18 months, and who made the PFA team of the year in back to back seasons in different positions, RB and LB (something impossible for any other FB in PL history).

 

[Roachy]

This may be an adequate description of a player at Stoke or Norwich but not of a player who played more minutes than any City defender for the last two titles and more minutes than any City pĺayer over the last 18 months, and who made the PFA team of the year in back to back seasons in different positions, RB and LB (something impossible for any other FB in PL history).

I'm on about this season, as you know. He's gone, we move on.