Gutted to be losing James, but you are 100% right. Pin this post, one of the best I have ever read on here.
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87 | James McAtee - 2024/25
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue
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I agree, we want as many as possible to get an opportunity to become professional footballers. Another part of me though is thinking why can’t we give more chances to players like Mcatee, Palmer, Delap.. why is it becoming almost impossible for us to develop our own players into the first team?They’re giving young players the very best opportunities to become professional footballers
I’d suggest that’s what’s important to youth players & other than Chelsea, I think we’re head & shoulders above the rest in the UK at achieving this
For me, that’s what makes a successful academy. Getting players in our first team squad is just an added bonus & we have a few so it’s incredibly successful imo
Some of these players are now some of the best young talent in the league. Instead we’re spending 50+m on players who aren’t as good. To me it seems short sighted.
Surely it’s also about developing players for our first team as well, at least that’s what it used to be about.
Great post and so very true.It was always there to make assets and sell them. There was never even the smallest inkling of belief we'd make a 1st team player. The maths is simple. Please disagree if you see fit.
1. City are already, or permanently aspire to be, in the top 10 club sides in world football. Agree?
2. Those squads are 25 in number, so there are 250 players in total, and the number of players age 18 who graduate into those squads from whatever academy in any year is probably no more 10. Agree?
3. So here's the reality, of all the football academies across the globe, of which there are thousands, there are only 10 players worldwide, who are graduating to the standard that a top 10 team like City would require. Agree?
4. That means, the reality is, that we would be fortunate to generate perhaps even 1 player in every 20 years, who is truly of the class that he can complete his career within one of those top 10 teams. That's a mathematical fact!
Some may say Foden is that one? Others may question whether he can do it for a full career like a Silva or Aguero type? One thing for certain is Rico Lewis is not that one player, but perhaps Palmer was and we never saw it!
Feeling bad about losing McAtee is probably based more on the fact that few of our current squad, if made available for sale, would generate any interest from the other top 9 teams, and that is 100% proof that our club's standing has drifted terribly in the last few seasons.
Sadly a lot of fans not just at our club get carried away and overrate young players coming through the ranks.
Tugay One Cup
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I hope Pep's post match comments weren't just lip service.
Turns out they were. Nice one Pep.
I don't blame McAtee for wanting out. Leicester felt like a turning point moment for him. Then the next game he's shoved back on the bench and given the last 15 minutes in a game that's already won. Zero trust in him from Pep.
He'd get game time and be a focal point if he went elsewhere. Foden is the only youngster reference point of staying here and succeeding, there's more who left and excelled to use as a guide for himself; Sancho, Frimpong, Nmecha, Delap, Palmer.
It's a shame because he insisted on staying. Proving himself. And Pep has just seemingly refused to let him do that and instead stuck with his favourites even in a bad patch.
He'd get game time and be a focal point if he went elsewhere. Foden is the only youngster reference point of staying here and succeeding, there's more who left and excelled to use as a guide for himself; Sancho, Frimpong, Nmecha, Delap, Palmer.
It's a shame because he insisted on staying. Proving himself. And Pep has just seemingly refused to let him do that and instead stuck with his favourites even in a bad patch.
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If city let him leave permanently, its a shocking decision! And one we will come to regret 100%.
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Or not, who knows.If city let him leave permanently, its a shocking decision! And one we will come to regret 100%.
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When Pep leaves you will see more players come through. For some reason he wants the ready made player ( usually the modus operandi of someone not in it for the long haul and yet he has been here nearly 9 years ) and yet spent most of his life at a club who promoted youth. There were players at the academy every but as good as Philips, Nunes, doku etc. If it was about balancing the books we could have saved far more by not buying these players at all.I agree, we want as many as possible to get an opportunity to become professional footballers. Another part of me though is thinking why can’t we give more chances to players like Mcatee, Palmer, Delap.. why is it becoming almost impossible for us to develop our own players into the first team?
Some of these players are now some of the best young talent in the league. Instead we’re spending 50+m on players who aren’t as good. To me it seems short sighted.
Surely it’s also about developing players for our first team as well, at least that’s what it used to be about.
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I don't agree with the first sentence. If anything I'd be more worried about opportunities because the next manager is going to be under extreme pressure following Pep.When Pep leaves you will see more players come through. For some reason he wants the ready made player ( usually the modus operandi of someone not in it for the long haul and yet he has been here nearly 9 years ) and yet spent most of his life at a club who promoted youth. There were players at the academy every but as good as Philips, Nunes, doku etc. If it was about balancing the books we could have saved far more by not buying these players at all.
Will they be willing to pin their own job to youngsters. Not sure.
I have been as annoyed as anyone that McAtee hasn't been given the minutes this year but we do have to trust Pep is doing the right thing, I am sure if he sat down with us and explained exactly what he see and wants then it would make sense.
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Not sure you will.When Pep leaves you will see more players come through. For some reason he wants the ready made player ( usually the modus operandi of someone not in it for the long haul and yet he has been here nearly 9 years ) and yet spent most of his life at a club who promoted youth. There were players at the academy every but as good as Philips, Nunes, doku etc. If it was about balancing the books we could have saved far more by not buying these players at all.
I get the Academy bit and the requirement to make money from it etc etc but what I cannot understand or agree with is that a number of our Academy players were/are better than some of the players we have signed.
McAtee would also have been a better bet than a flagging Gundogan or an exhausted Silva or an even out of form Foden at times this season.
McAtee would also have been a better bet than a flagging Gundogan or an exhausted Silva or an even out of form Foden at times this season.
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This makes sense until you remember that Palmer, Rogers, Lavia and potentially even the likes of Hardwood-Bellis and Delap are good enough to play a part for us right now.It was always there to make assets and sell them. There was never even the smallest inkling of belief we'd make a 1st team player. The maths is simple. Please disagree if you see fit.
1. City are already, or permanently aspire to be, in the top 10 club sides in world football. Agree?
2. Those squads are 25 in number, so there are 250 players in total, and the number of players age 18 who graduate into those squads from whatever academy in any year is probably no more than 10. Agree?
3. So here's the reality, of all the football academies across the globe, of which there are thousands, there are only 10 players worldwide, who are graduating to the standard that a top 10 team like City would require. Agree?
4. That means, the reality is, that we would be fortunate to generate perhaps even 1 player in every 20 years, who is truly of the class that he can complete his career within one of those top 10 teams. That's a mathematical fact!
Some may say Foden is that one? Others may question whether he can do it for a full career like a Silva or Aguero type? One thing for certain is Rico Lewis is not that one player, but perhaps Palmer was and we never saw it!
Feeling bad about losing McAtee is probably based more on the fact that few of our current squad, if made available for sale, would generate any interest from the other top 9 teams, and that is 100% proof that our club's standing has drifted terribly in the last few seasons.
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They are all doing somewhere between ok and very well in their current teams but I very much doubt they would have the same impact playing in our current system.This makes sense until you remember that Palmer, Rogers, Lavia and potentially even the likes of Hardwood-Bellis and Delap are good enough to play a part for us right now.
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Do you think the system needs to change then? It’s one that’s won us 4 in a row, but have we been found out now? Is it at this point we need to change the system, as we have done in the past under Pep.They are all doing somewhere between ok and very well in their current teams but I very much doubt they would have the same impact playing in our current system.
Khaldoon said something else ,maybe you know more than KhaldoonIt was always there to make assets and sell them
It's been there 10 years and generated essentially nothing other than an income stream, so perhaps I do!Khaldoon said something else ,maybe you know more than Khaldoon
Agree the reality is its a significant contributor to managing the PSR/FFP rules and if we are lucky we may get one or two players come through over the next 5 or so seasons. Reality is we have really only had Foden nail down a first team place and Lewis supplementing the squad and getting more games now because Walker has fallen off a cliff. If we are trying to maintain the standard of the Pep era so far would suggest only Palmer would be good enough to challenge for a first team spot. Doubt we would be debating Delap or Rogers without the previous city connection and no one is crying over Sancho any more.It's been there 10 years and generated essentially nothing other than an income stream, so perhaps I do!
Harwood-Bellis? Slower than Gundogan. Nowhere near good enough for City.This makes sense until you remember that Palmer, Rogers, Lavia and potentially even the likes of Hardwood-Bellis and Delap are good enough to play a part for us right now.
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