878,300

[stonerblue]

People have stopped claiming incapacity benefit instead of having a medical to prove their entitlement. Why could that be?

Where are your to back up this 'claim'?

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

People have stopped claiming incapacity benefit instead of having a medical to prove their entitlement. Why could that be?

Where are your to back up this 'claim'?

It's in the public domain from published figures that these 878,300 have chosen to withdraw their claims. W12 is asking the question why they have withdrawn

 

[stonerblue]

People have stopped claiming incapacity benefit instead of having a medical to prove their entitlement. Why could that be?

Where are your to back up this 'claim'?

It's in the public domain from published figures that these 878,300 have chosen to withdraw their claims. W12 is asking the question why they have withdrawn

i can't find any figures for people choosing to not claim. Lots for refused claims (over a 3rd under appeal) from ATOS.
Will have another look.

 

[Manchester33]

I really hate the excuse, we dont talk about individual cases.

Has to be said though, there can't be an excuse for all 800,000 of them, I'd reckon a good 100,000 are playing the system, but when the Labour party has been throwing out benefits like there's no tomorrow for the past 20 years obviously people are going to take advantage of that. Im all for helping less fortnate people out, and by no means should the entire benefit system go out the window, but for it to be a success it needs to be adequately monitored.

The tory's will sort out our financial collapse the hard way, through being tough and cutting important benefits to get us back on track, then be voted out just in time for Labour to fly in and look like a huge success before begining the cycle again.

 

[stonerblue]

I really hate the excuse, we dont talk about individual cases.

Has to be said though, there can't be an excuse for all 800,000 of them, I'd reckon a good 100,000 are playing the system, but when the Labour party has been throwing out benefits like there's no tomorrow for the past 20 years obviously people are going to take advantage of that. Im all for helping less fortnate people out, and by no means should the entire benefit system go out the window, but for it to be a success it needs to be adequately monitored.

The tory's will sort out our financial collapse the hard way, through being tough and cutting important benefits to get us back on track, then be voted out just in time for Labour to fly in and look like a huge success before begining the cycle again.

funnily enough the high number of IB claimants are mostly in areas that were decimated by government policy in the 80's

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

People have stopped claiming incapacity benefit instead of having a medical to prove their entitlement. Why could that be?

The most common reason people gave for withdrawing their ESA claim was that their condition had improved and so they had closed their claim, either returning to work or claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA). This is consistent with the high rates of return to work and JSA claims which had been identified for the closed/withdrawn group in survey research with ESA customers13. In many cases, customers got in touch with Jobcentre Plus directly to inform them that they would like to withdraw their claim. However, a number of customers had not proactively informed Jobcentre Plus that they no longer wanted to claim: some felt they had recovered sufficiently to end their claim and many chose to no longer submit sick notes and some decided to not return the ESA50 (see Section 3.2.2), as they thought this would mean Jobcentre Plus closed their claim.

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[Manchester33]

I really hate the excuse, we dont talk about individual cases.

Has to be said though, there can't be an excuse for all 800,000 of them, I'd reckon a good 100,000 are playing the system, but when the Labour party has been throwing out benefits like there's no tomorrow for the past 20 years obviously people are going to take advantage of that. Im all for helping less fortnate people out, and by no means should the entire benefit system go out the window, but for it to be a success it needs to be adequately monitored.

The tory's will sort out our financial collapse the hard way, through being tough and cutting important benefits to get us back on track, then be voted out just in time for Labour to fly in and look like a huge success before begining the cycle again.

funnily enough the high number of IB claimants are mostly in areas that were decimated by government policy in the 80's

The dying industries such as the Mines in the North East would have eventually gone under Labour as well. Needless to say, however, I agree Thatcher didnt go the best way about it. Their was no long term plan in place for the people who lost their jobs, but Labour made the matter worse by spending taxes onnicredibly high rates of welfare rather than investing that money into spuring the economy in those areas. As a result we obviously get the London-centric economy we have today. But the North of England relies on the taxes produced in London.

In other words we took away these peoples jobs and eventually bribed them with welfare, when we could be creating sustainable jobs so they can feed themselves. This doesn't account for people who are unnable to work, but if its easy to scam the government people will take what they can, hence this knew law.

 

[law74]

The truth doesn't Andy. Anyway as I say in other posts its too broken, the measures now being taken are severe due to decades of weakness and neglect from all governments. I say let's see what happens with a bit of toughness for a change. Hard for some but its all about the bigger picture and 800k Cadgers have been "found out" then that's a good start.
When you read some of the stories on Here its pretty clear we need to reign in the fraudulent money and get it to people that really need it.it has to come from somewhere.

I'd start by pulling out of wars that have fuck all to do with us. Now who started that again?

If you want to tackle the amount of fraudulent claims to benefits, employ more investigators, increase their powers to investigate, increase the sentences handed out by the courts for those found guilty in court (more community service and accountable community service rather than conditional discharges etc), and do the same for tax inspectors.
Stop fraudulent claims for money going out, do likewise to ensure the proper amounts are coming in.

investigators, courts, prisons.....all very expensive and time consuming, I think they way theyve done it saves money, Britain is in deep shit financially, its time the easy ride was made harder for the cheats

Costly and time consuming maybe, but better to target those in the wrong than target those in need, and the alternative's to prison, if properly managed can be as good a deterrent for non-violent criminals at a far lesser cost.
The current regime are costing genuine people too much distress, and these are the people that often can least afford the added stress.

By all means stop the fraudulent claims, but not at the expense of the health of those most in need.
Non-occupancy and fictitious desertion are another two areas that should be more actively pursued, with the same vigour being used for those that falsify their tax returns, and close the "offshore loopholes"

 

[Crouchinho]

Oh the government going after the disabled and unemployed. Will the mp's stop their own 114 quid a week grocery entitlement? Go after the banks? The super rich? No they'll get the media to tell you the big bad unemployed and disabled are to blame. When really they should be bollocking anyone that approves these benefits for people who are not sick.

tbf though if you work in a benefit office and a builder walks in with a doctors cert saying this builder has a bad back and cant work are you going to argue about it ?

I know a builder here who scams the system with his 'bad back'

he's usually doing the odd cash job though haha

Surely it should be from a hospital, they should be held accountable for any mistakes.

The fact over a million have to prove they're still sick shows some mismanagement.

There are loads screwing the system, workshy, faking illness, cash in hand etc but there are millions of genuine cases.

The government and media are making a witchhunt out of genuine people claiming benefits too, just to cover up their own shit handling of their budgets. They're far more interested in putting up speed cameras, sending soldiers to war for their oil (still isn't cheap for you and i) and making sure they can still claim hotel and grocery bills per week. It's a big scam and the benefit people get the blame

If I were disabled I'd be worried what people think of me now due to a daft witchhunt, I would be worried about having to prove my disability to people that have had their heads turned by the daily mail readers

 

[maineman]

edited for you.

why bill does the truth hurt you ?

The truth doesn't Andy. Anyway as I say in other posts its too broken, the measures now being taken are severe due to decades of weakness and neglect from all governments. I say let's see what happens with a bit of toughness for a change. Hard for some but its all about the bigger picture and 800k Cadgers have been "found out" then that's a good start.
When you read some of the stories on Here its pretty clear we need to reign in the fraudulent money and get it to people that really need it.it has to come from somewhere.

I'd start by pulling out of wars that have fuck all to do with us. Now who started that again?

I still like you bill,not in a gay way though :)