9/11 - More evidence it was set up by people in the shadows

rickmcfc said:
To the person who wrote this

"A commercial airliner can fly from Washington DC to Ohio turn back and fly all the way from the Midwest to cross a 'No Fly Zone' and then crash into the headquarters of the most powerful military force on the Planet Earth without a military reponse worth the name ! ? !"

The terrorists turned off the transponder so they didnt have any idea of where the plane was.

They still have RADAR on the ground. When you have RADAR you can also identify the type of plane based on it's signature. You can even tell if that plane is hostile (enemy country) or friendly based on it's RADAR signature. NORAD should have RADAR coverage in most of North America. Turning off an identification transducer which identifies the individual plane does not mean the type of plane cannot be identified solely by its RADAR signature.
 
BulgarianPride said:
rickmcfc said:
To the person who wrote this

"A commercial airliner can fly from Washington DC to Ohio turn back and fly all the way from the Midwest to cross a 'No Fly Zone' and then crash into the headquarters of the most powerful military force on the Planet Earth without a military reponse worth the name ! ? !"

The terrorists turned off the transponder so they didnt have any idea of where the plane was.

They still have RADAR on the ground. When you have RADAR you can also identify the type of plane based on it's signature. You can even tell if that plane is hostile (enemy country) or friendly based on it's RADAR signature. NORAD should have RADAR coverage in most of North America. Turning off an identification transducer which identifies the individual plane does not mean the type of plane cannot be identified solely by its RADAR signature.


Well that's fucking told me!!!
 
BulgarianPride said:
I understand you are trying to lighten the mood up with jokes, but it really takes away from everything you are saying.

"The truth" would be the actual answer as to how does the most advanced military in the world allow for "unintelligent" Muslims extremists to kill over 3000 people? Why was the report that was given to Bush ignored? Why was the planner of 9/11 "working" for the FBI? He was actually a double agent, giving FBI bits and pieces to keep him in the loop while planning terrorist attacks. He did not direly plan 9/11 but he came up with the idea to use planes as missiles. I can't remember his name so forgive me. Names escape me. He is now in a federal witness protection program and is kept in an unknown prison. I hope this means he was executed, but you never know.


I actually thing the government took down the last hijacked plane. I can't blame them as it could of killed thousands more. What is more plausible? Passengers taking back control or military shooting down the plane considering what has just happened.?

Bulgaria, you're an intelligent person.

The main reason we have the situation with Wikileaks right now is that following 9/11 one of the main findings of all the navel staring was that the intel agencies dropped the ball because of a lack of communication between them. This resulted in a greater sharing of information between them - via newly created digitised databases and links, and subsequently the opportunity arose for someone like Bradley Manning to do his stuff.

Anyone who got control of an aircraft in the manner in which those 'planes were hijacked could have flown them into buildings. Now we have much stricter security at airports, and more secure cockpits to prevent these sorts of things happening, in addition to other defensive measures.

The people responsible for these events are those who took flying lessons and held up the aircraft using box cutters, and flew the jets into the buildings. It's really that simple, and there's no mystery or underhand goings on 'sponsored' by the Americans or any other western agencies.
 
BulgarianPride said:
rickmcfc said:
To the person who wrote this

"A commercial airliner can fly from Washington DC to Ohio turn back and fly all the way from the Midwest to cross a 'No Fly Zone' and then crash into the headquarters of the most powerful military force on the Planet Earth without a military reponse worth the name ! ? !"

The terrorists turned off the transponder so they didnt have any idea of where the plane was.

They still have RADAR on the ground. When you have RADAR you can also identify the type of plane based on it's signature. You can even tell if that plane is hostile (enemy country) or friendly based on it's RADAR signature. NORAD should have RADAR coverage in most of North America. Turning off an identification transducer which identifies the individual plane does not mean the type of plane cannot be identified solely by its RADAR signature.

This is just untrue.

Primary radar can only detect that something is there. It is possible to take a guess at what it is from the strength of these returns, but that's it.

Secondary radar (used for identification purposes) relies on a response from the 'target'. No response means you cannot make an ident.
 
MCFCinUSA said:
beatyswollocks said:
The pentagon, the worlds most watched building, with over 80 cctv cameras picking up the supposed "plane crash" (not my words, the FBI) why have they not been released, why after 10 years nearly, have they not been released, not one out of around 80 recordings that shows a clear and distinguished video of a plane crashing into the pentagon.

but there is video although it's not superb, and also computer simulations - both of which I've seen; the aircraft approaches very low over the ground and takes out some pole structures before hitting the building.
at the end of the day you still have aircraft piloted by hijackers that were used as weapons against structural targets.

often the most obvious explanations are the actual ones, not always, but in these cases there really aren't any hidden conspiracies or large organised criminal, homicidal, deranged, unaccountable domestic bodies of people at work.
Not bein funny or owt buh' why do you continue to chuck words or terms like conspiracy,theory, shadows, foolish and lacking the ability to reason and learn etc etc plus MLK's one liner aimed across the board.

From what i seen within this thread most posters don't and shouldn't fall under these or any other labels, in an information age it's in peoples nature to question thangs by any means deemed fit enough for their personal comprehension and overstandin, more times than most this will include not takin officialdom takes at face value and that's not to say that every official conclusion of 'any' is wack or should be shelved but rather it's simply a case of "it is what it is" !

Long live open mindedness...


...with you sayin the vid you seen wasn't superb but you also seen computer simulations, could you tell us gathered here today, what exactly caused that initial certain sized hole in the wall ?

Where's the Wings impact damage ?

Where's the Engine's impact damage ?

Where's the Tail impact damage ?
 
You cannot identify a plane by it's radar signature, when the signal comes back it will only give you a signature on the screen they all look the same, the only way to tell one from another is by speed and rate of climb, so a fast jet going at Mach1 would obviously move across the screen faster than a commercial airline. If a plane turns it's transponder off all this does is take away the information the plane is sending out, such as it's identity I.e. It's squawk and call sign, other things that appear on the screen are flight level and speed. If you turn this off then it looks like all the other planes aren't squawking. I worked in air traffic control for 12 years btw.
 
Cheesy said:
BulgarianPride said:
rickmcfc said:
To the person who wrote this

"A commercial airliner can fly from Washington DC to Ohio turn back and fly all the way from the Midwest to cross a 'No Fly Zone' and then crash into the headquarters of the most powerful military force on the Planet Earth without a military reponse worth the name ! ? !"

The terrorists turned off the transponder so they didnt have any idea of where the plane was.

They still have RADAR on the ground. When you have RADAR you can also identify the type of plane based on it's signature. You can even tell if that plane is hostile (enemy country) or friendly based on it's RADAR signature. NORAD should have RADAR coverage in most of North America. Turning off an identification transducer which identifies the individual plane does not mean the type of plane cannot be identified solely by its RADAR signature.

This is just untrue.

Primary radar can only detect that something is there. It is possible to take a guess at what it is from the strength of these returns, but that's it.

Secondary radar (used for identification purposes) relies on a response from the 'target'. No response means you cannot make an ident.

There are methods than can be used to identify the aircraft based on the RADAR echo, at least in theory.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.aicit.org/jdcta/ppl/11-JDCTA2-600141.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.aicit.org/jdcta/ppl/11-JDCTA2-600141.pdf</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1330627" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_ ... er=1330627</a>

*note the pdf is quite technical. Also you need a subscription to read the second but the introduction serves my purpose.

Now this are just two examples i am quite confident the military can make it happen.

How does a military jet know the jet a few kilometers away is not a friend before it launches it's missiles?<br /><br />-- Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:49 am --<br /><br />
Blue Maverick said:
You cannot identify a plane by it's radar signature, when the signal comes back it will only give you a signature on the screen they all look the same, the only way to tell one from another is by speed and rate of climb, so a fast jet going at Mach1 would obviously move across the screen faster than a commercial airline. If a plane turns it's transponder off all this does is take away the information the plane is sending out, such as it's identity I.e. It's squawk and call sign, other things that appear on the screen are flight level and speed. If you turn this off then it looks like all the other planes aren't squawking. I worked in air traffic control for 12 years btw.

I am saying the type of aircraft can be identified by the echo. The call sign and other data is transmitted by the transponder.

So to clarify, you can still track the plane even if it's transponder is off?
 
MCFCinUSA said:
beatyswollocks said:
The pentagon, the worlds most watched building, with over 80 cctv cameras picking up the supposed "plane crash" (not my words, the FBI) why have they not been released, why after 10 years nearly, have they not been released, not one out of around 80 recordings that shows a clear and distinguished video of a plane crashing into the pentagon.

but there is video although it's not superb, and also computer simulations - both of which I've seen; the aircraft approaches very low over the ground and takes out some pole structures before hitting the building.

I may be right in thinking that I have seen this video, it is available on youtube, however IT DOES NOT show a clear image of a boeing airliner crashing into the pentagon, the quality is extremely poor. Are you seriously telling me that a poor quality, unidentifiable cctv recording of this supposed plane is the best piece of evidence? Is this the most reliable cctv recording that was available out of over 80 recordings?. I will not believe it until I see it.<br /><br />-- Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:07 pm --<br /><br />To simplify my rational for thinking there is more than meets the eye than initially thought, here are numerous, factual reasons for thinking the hijackers were fake.

1.) The hijackers names do not appear on any of the flight's manifests.

2.) None of the hijackers were subject to any autopsy.

3.) 5-7 of the supposed hijackers have turned up alive and well living in the Middle East. They have even been interviewed by the BBC and the Guardian in the U.K.

4.) The FBI nevertheless has not revised its list.

5.) A special agent of the FBI by the name of "Flagg", has explained that the FBI knew almost immediately the names of all 19 hijackers, because they discovered a piece of luggage left by Mohamed Atta when he had driven up to Portland, and then turned around and rushed down to Logan just in time to participate in a hijacking of a plane from that airport. According to "Flagg", this piece of luggage that Atta left behind, not only included a terrorist manual, but a very convenient list of the 19 hijackers, that's really quite amazing isn't it considering 5-7 of these hijackers have turned up alive and well.

6.) These hijackers could not have flown these planes. Pilots and aeronautical engineers have studied there training background. It is simply preposterous to presume these guys who could barely get a cessna off the ground could have piloted a commercial airliner and brought it to its target. It's preposterous.

7.) Those cell phone calls that we've heard so much about could not have been made at the altitudes and speeds these planes were flying. Professors of computer science have taken cell phones of different rates and models on different flights around the country and discovered at altitudes above 2000 feet and speeds above 230 mph that cellphone connections become fewer and farther between. They would have been impossible. Thta of course would include the well known call made by "Mark Bingham" where he calls his other and goes "mum this is Mark Bingham, you believe me don't you?".

8.) During the trial of the alleged 20th hijacker "Zacarias Moussaoui", a tape recording was played allegedly from Flight 93, which included the passengers discussing how they would attempt to break down the cabin door using a drink cart. A student in fact pointed out that this was a cockpit voice recording and that cockpit voice recorders do not record voices in the passenger compartment.

9.) The last words attributed on that tape to the hijackers, who were facing imminent death was "Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar" which is Arabic for "god is great god is great". According to a Muslim member of scholars for 9/11 truth the last words that a devout follower of Islam should say when confronting imminent death is not those words, but rather, in Arabic "There is but one god "Allah" and "Mohammed" is his prophet.

10.) "Zacarias Moussaoui", in April 2006, was subjected to a trial to determine whether he was to be punished by life imprisonment or even death. For not coming forward to reveal the plot which the government maintained had he done, would have enabled the government to intervene and save lives. There is 3 observations i have made. Two years before April 06, "Zacarias Moussaoui" confessed to a different plot. He had knowledge that he had been involved in a plot to fly a plane into the White House in order to extort release of a terrorist Sheikh who had been in prison for terrorist activities in 1993. He denied he had anything to do with 9/11, that is the crime to which he confessed. A year later the Federal Government had played a shell game and insinuated and implied that he had something to with 9/11. As "Webster Tarpley" has observed, this man had no obligation to come forward and confess his involvement in a plot even if had been involved in 9/11. He had no obligation to incriminate himself. Finally, and most tellingly, and this must have been incredibly embarrassing to the Government, an FBI agent had testified he had been following "Moussaoui", he had been observing him taking this flight training, he had suspected he might be involved in a terrorist plot, even to fly planes into the trade towers. Though he suggested later, that it was "merely a lucky guess". He testified under oath, that he told his superiors about his suspicions, not once, not twice, 70 TIMES, I say to you, 5 or 6 might be excused as ordinary incompetence, 20 or 25 may be criminal neglect, 70 TIMES that is a matter of deliberate policy, they were keeping these guys in reserve so they could use them as a cover story when the Government itself perpetrated these dastardly terrorist acts.
 
so glad I'm in the real world having a whale of a time in central france instead of having to put up with the sad nut jobs on here.
 
ah of course,it was all about the oil wasn`t it!!!

let`s give the illuminati a shout out here as well,they`re everywhere these geezers but sshhh,let`s stick with with this fairytale eh!

.........and they all lived happily ever after

amen
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