9-11

[stony]

By and large I agree with you. No child deserves that, whatever it's colour or creed. But they were different times. You couldn't fight the Nazis by playing fair and you certainly couldn't fight the Japanese by playing fair.
The Japanese were a warrior nation, they despised weakness, which is why they treated our POW's so poorly. In their eyes anyone who surrendered was less than a man, that's why they didn't treat them like men. You can't fight a nation with a mindset like that by playing fair and you can't judge the people who had to fight them by todays standards.
The Japanese got off lightly, very lightly for the atrocities they carried out for the sake of conquest and expansionism.
We were defending ourselves, they were hell bent on conquest. You can't start complaining if you kick a dog and it bites you.

We could have though. Using Mosquitos and fighter-bombers like the Typhoon and the Tempest, the Hurricane was pretty decent with 40mms on as well, we used precision bombing to strike military targets. A review of effectiveness at the end of the war concluded the efficiency of the precision bombers like the Mosquito was far far higher than area bombers like the Lancaster. We did not need to area bomb and the Americans needn't have dropped the atomic bombs or bombed Japan to the extent it did. Innocent people died for no good reason.

By that stage of the war we had lost hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, the figures are still being argued about. Everyone was tired of fighting. If we shortened the war by only a day and saved just 1 allied life then for me it was worth it.
They were the aggressors, hell bent on carving themselves an empire. We were only trying to hold onto what we already had.

Would they have hesitated using an A bomb against us ? Not in the slightest.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

I'm with Skashion.

Peace and love

 

[PJMCC1UK]

No more disturbing pictures please

Have you not seen the ''All new picture thread''?

 

[squirtyflower]

No more disturbing pictures please

Have you not seen the ''All new picture thread''?

unfortunately yes

and i haven't even put mine there yet

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06VX8ijYihU[/youtube]

Whats really quite weird is this news story which also broke on 9/11, then any mention of it completely disappeared from mainstream media sources and no further information has ever came to light.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I'm with Skashion.

Peace and love

The Japanese weren't really into that much though if you were into peace and love they shot yer or removed your head for you.

 

[Dave Fabulous]

Don't sure why we should always fight with the arm tied behind the back.

Build less Lancasters, build more Mosquitos, more effective and more efficient RAF and far less civilian causalities.

Glorious plane: <a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito</a>

I don't want a row mate but bombers have longer ranges.

I just googled both and the Lancaster had a range of approx 2500 miles and the Mosquito had only 900.

If both were based in London, the Mosquito could attack Stuttgart and get home, whereas the Lancaster could attack Tunisia.

Just think it's difficult (probably impossible) to apply today's logic and sensitivities to things that happened so long ago.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

No more disturbing pictures please

Cheers for that
It wasn't a dig at you skash just the pic i didn't like

 

[johnmc]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06VX8ijYihU[/youtube]

Whats really quite weird is this news story which also broke on 9/11, then any mention of it completely disappeared from mainstream media sources and no further information has ever came to light.

Bad source maybe?

 

[BulgarianPride]

Were any children killed at Pearl Harbour?

Yep

Ahh but they are the children of that evil nation called America to some on here.

I think we're getting to the root of certain member's feelings.

Total civilians killed at perl harbor = 57.

Total people killed in Hiroshima = 90,000–166,000 with approximately 75-90% civilians. Which at minimal (75%) means 67500 to 120000 civilians killed. How many children and women do you think they were? Is there a need for me to go through the numbers?

Perl harbour was a purely military strike. It's goal was not to kill civilians but to destroy military targets.

War will always have civilian casualties, but we shouldn't be targeting civilians as a means to end a war.