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agreed , the whole religious set up made me feel uncomfortable, i had no specific conversations but we had nuns at my school who tried to push/coerce you in a certain direction, thankfully i resisted any indoctrination
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a secular society by 2030
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agreed , the whole religious set up made me feel uncomfortable, i had no specific conversations but we had nuns at my school who tried to push/coerce you in a certain direction, thankfully i resisted any indoctrination
johnny crossan
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What is interesting is that crime figures have apparently been falling despite economic recession and increasing secularism. That's a welcome surprise to me.
johnny crossan said:What is interesting is that crime figures have apparently been falling despite economic recession and increasing secularism. That's a welcome surprise to me.
all the more reason for you to become secular johnny!!
NSS to challenge Catholic Church's new restrictions on teachers
Posted: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:36
The Catholic Church in England and Wales has issued a new booklet warning teachers and governors at Catholic schools that they risk dismissal if they enter a relationship that is not approved by the Church.
The warning comes in a booklet by written by Monsignor Marcus Stock, general secretary of the Catholic Bishops' conference of England and Wales and co-published by the Catholic Education Service.
British Catholic weekly newspaper, The Tablet, reports:
"Under the heading of "substantive life choices", Mgr Stock includes marriage in a non-Catholic church or register office without canonical dispensation, remarriage after divorce and "maintaining a partnership of intimacy with another person, outside a form of marriage approved by the Church and which would, at least in the public forum, carry the presumption from their public behaviour of this being a non-chaste relationship". This also applies to all staff in a Catholic school."
Other "substantive life choices" he rules unacceptable include "maintaining the publication or distribution of, or by any other means of social communication or technology, material content which is contrary to gospel values".
Many 'faith' schools are granted special legal privileges enabling them to discriminate in employment on religious grounds. Many teachers can find themselves blocked from certain positions because they are non-believers or of the 'wrong' faith. In addition, teachers can be disciplined or dismissed for conduct which is 'incompatible with the precepts of the school's religion.
The National Secular Society has described the Catholic Church's restrictions on its employees personal relationships as "prurient and tyrannical."
Stephen Evans, campaigns manager at the National Secular Society, said:
"It is scandalous that the Catholic Church is able to use taxpayers' money to practise this sort of crude discrimination. The document is completely unacceptable. The way a person arranges their private life, so long as it is within the law, should be of no concern to an employer.
"We will be writing to the Secretary of State for Education, Michael Gove, asking how he can justify a law that permits teachers in faith schools to be disciplined or dismissed for conduct which is 'incompatible with the precepts of the school's religion. Such a harsh and unfair law drives a coach and horses through equality legislation and leaves teachers, paid using public money, uniquely vulnerable to religious discrimination."
The level of discrimination permitted in 'faith' schools is currently the subject of an investigation at the European Commission following a complaint by the National Secular Society concerning whether UK legislation relating to state funded 'faith' schools breaches European employment laws.
The NSS has made clear that if it comes across anyone who has been fired from a Catholic school simply because they are living in a relationship that the Church does not approve of, it would be happy to assist them in a legal challenge.
Posted: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:36
The Catholic Church in England and Wales has issued a new booklet warning teachers and governors at Catholic schools that they risk dismissal if they enter a relationship that is not approved by the Church.
The warning comes in a booklet by written by Monsignor Marcus Stock, general secretary of the Catholic Bishops' conference of England and Wales and co-published by the Catholic Education Service.
British Catholic weekly newspaper, The Tablet, reports:
"Under the heading of "substantive life choices", Mgr Stock includes marriage in a non-Catholic church or register office without canonical dispensation, remarriage after divorce and "maintaining a partnership of intimacy with another person, outside a form of marriage approved by the Church and which would, at least in the public forum, carry the presumption from their public behaviour of this being a non-chaste relationship". This also applies to all staff in a Catholic school."
Other "substantive life choices" he rules unacceptable include "maintaining the publication or distribution of, or by any other means of social communication or technology, material content which is contrary to gospel values".
Many 'faith' schools are granted special legal privileges enabling them to discriminate in employment on religious grounds. Many teachers can find themselves blocked from certain positions because they are non-believers or of the 'wrong' faith. In addition, teachers can be disciplined or dismissed for conduct which is 'incompatible with the precepts of the school's religion.
The National Secular Society has described the Catholic Church's restrictions on its employees personal relationships as "prurient and tyrannical."
Stephen Evans, campaigns manager at the National Secular Society, said:
"It is scandalous that the Catholic Church is able to use taxpayers' money to practise this sort of crude discrimination. The document is completely unacceptable. The way a person arranges their private life, so long as it is within the law, should be of no concern to an employer.
"We will be writing to the Secretary of State for Education, Michael Gove, asking how he can justify a law that permits teachers in faith schools to be disciplined or dismissed for conduct which is 'incompatible with the precepts of the school's religion. Such a harsh and unfair law drives a coach and horses through equality legislation and leaves teachers, paid using public money, uniquely vulnerable to religious discrimination."
The level of discrimination permitted in 'faith' schools is currently the subject of an investigation at the European Commission following a complaint by the National Secular Society concerning whether UK legislation relating to state funded 'faith' schools breaches European employment laws.
The NSS has made clear that if it comes across anyone who has been fired from a Catholic school simply because they are living in a relationship that the Church does not approve of, it would be happy to assist them in a legal challenge.
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Only just caught this thread but i'd like to recommened a book called the science delusion by dr rupert sheldake.
It might be a bit heavy for some but science itself is an act of faith, its every bit as dogmatic as religion and is a rigid 19th century belief.
It saddens me that so many people on here see logic as the only form of intelligence, that shows to me how much brainwashing has been done by the modern media.
Here's the link to the book buy the way
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359721307&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Del ... 307&sr=8-1</a>
It might be a bit heavy for some but science itself is an act of faith, its every bit as dogmatic as religion and is a rigid 19th century belief.
It saddens me that so many people on here see logic as the only form of intelligence, that shows to me how much brainwashing has been done by the modern media.
Here's the link to the book buy the way
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359721307&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Del ... 307&sr=8-1</a>
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Pmsl, someone get damocles to destroy this mentalist.Weloveyoucitywedo said:Only just caught this thread but i'd like to recommened a book called the science delusion by dr rupert sheldake.
It might be a bit heavy for some but science itself is an act of faith, its every bit as dogmatic as religion and is a rigid 19th century belief.
It saddens me that so many people on here see logic as the only form of intelligence, that shows to me how much brainwashing has been done by the modern media.
Here's the link to the book buy the way
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359721307&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Del ... 307&sr=8-1</a>
Science is not dogmatic you fruit. And for a god botherer to talk about brainwashing. Grrrrrrr, you wouldn't know irony if it bit you on the arse.
Weloveyoucitywedo said:Only just caught this thread but i'd like to recommened a book called the science delusion by dr rupert sheldake.
It might be a bit heavy for some but science itself is an act of faith, its every bit as dogmatic as religion and is a rigid 19th century belief.
It saddens me that so many people on here see logic as the only form of intelligence, that shows to me how much brainwashing has been done by the modern media.
Here's the link to the book buy the way
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359721307&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Del ... 307&sr=8-1</a>
Yeah because faith shows intelligence and freedom of thought doesn't it?
Oh no, hang on, it shows that you follow the words of some dusty old book that bears no relevence on today's society. Don't think for yourself, accept our God or you will forever live in eternal damnation. You were born full of sin and you must spend your life repenting and worshipping something intangible so we can have these big buildings and all this gold, you see, and we'll preach against poverty but do fuck all about it whilst we count our money.....
Religion is for idiots.
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The 2 replies just go to show how socially unacceptable it is to speak up against science but it shouldn't be and how intolerant a lot of atheists actually are.
It doesn't surprise me as we are only taught from a left brain perspective in the western world sadly.
Science needs to be liberated from the dogmas that restrict it.
It doesn't surprise me as we are only taught from a left brain perspective in the western world sadly.
Science needs to be liberated from the dogmas that restrict it.
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What the fuck are you actually on about?Weloveyoucitywedo said:The 2 replies just go to show how socially unacceptable it is to speak up against science but it shouldn't be and how intolerant a lot of atheists actually are.
It doesn't surprise me as we are only taught from a left brain perspective in the western world sadly.
Science needs to be liberated from the dogmas that restrict it.
I see you have written words but they do not make any sense. Show me the narrow minded and intolerant atheists killing in the name of atheism and I will accept your argument you fucking hypocrite.
Speak up against Science? Do you have any idea what "science" actually is?
And a once again, a religious zealot talking about "dogma", how can you even write that with a straight face?
The only thing I can think is that you are on the wum and doing a very good job.
Weloveyoucitywedo
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SWP's back said:What the fuck are you actually on about?Weloveyoucitywedo said:The 2 replies just go to show how socially unacceptable it is to speak up against science but it shouldn't be and how intolerant a lot of atheists actually are.
It doesn't surprise me as we are only taught from a left brain perspective in the western world sadly.
Science needs to be liberated from the dogmas that restrict it.
I see you have written words but they do not make any sense. Show me the narrow minded and intolerant atheists killing in the name of atheism and I will accept your argument you fucking hypocrite.
Speak up against Science? Do you have any idea what "science" actually is?
And a once again, a religious zealot talking about "dogma", how can you even write that with a straight face?
The only thing I can think is that you are on the wum and doing a very good job.
The only narrow minded and abusive one here is yourself, if you want a reply, please use a bit of politeness and manners.