A thread about protesters

Chippy_boy said:
The "controversial" new laws mate, include such radical ideas as being able to limit the hours protestors can stay out on the streets. And powers to remove vehicles from blocking parliament.

We are not talking about rubber bullets, tear gas or shoot to kill. Although I would be tempted.
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Therefore if you live under the flightpath of an airport that decides to introduce night flights, you can not protest as the hours are limited.

If you are against the imposition of a new 99% tax rate you can only protest between 1pm and 1-05pm on a Thursday afternoon.

If you believe that Government has no no right to compulsory purchase the Etihad in order to knock it down and turn the land into a duck pond you can only protest on a Monday morning between 8am and 9am

If a gang of Red Indians set up camp in your local park and build Teepee's you can only protest once every 3 weeks on a Sunday morning for2 minutes between 5am and 6am.

Sorry you 500,000 who have turned up to protest against Bombing the Millstone whilst Karaoke is on but you will have to go home because you only have 2 minutes to march from the Millstone to Parliaments Square.
 
Does peaceful protest achieve anything?

The only success I can think of is getting rid of American cruise missiles.

We had to have riots to address urban poverty, and to kill off the poll tax.

So the only way to preserve the right to peaceful protest may be unpeaceful protest.

(It's ever been thus - see the Chartist divisions between using "moral force" and "physical force".)
 
Rascal said:
Therefore if you live under the flightpath of an airport that decides to introduce night flights, you can not protest as the hours are limited.

If you are against the imposition of a new 99% tax rate you can only protest between 1pm and 1-05pm on a Thursday afternoon.

If you believe that Government has no no right to compulsory purchase the Etihad in order to knock it down and turn the land into a duck pond you can only protest on a Monday morning between 8am and 9am

If a gang of Red Indians set up camp in your local park and build Teepee's you can only protest once every 3 weeks on a Sunday morning for2 minutes between 5am and 6am.

Sorry you 500,000 who have turned up to protest against Bombing the Millstone whilst Karaoke is on but you will have to go home because you only have 2 minutes to march from the Millstone to Parliaments Square.
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You missed out one important thing - they all have to be quiet protests - god forbid one person thinks another person saying a slogan in a moderately loud voice is a no-no
 
Vic said:
Does peaceful protest achieve anything?

The only success I can think of is getting rid of American cruise missiles.

We had to have riots to address urban poverty, and to kill off the poll tax.

So the only way to preserve the right to peaceful protest may be unpeaceful protest.

(It's ever been thus - see the Chartist divisions between using "moral force" and "physical force".)
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Despite Sir Marcus doing his best we still have poverty so the riots achieved nothing and despite what revionists would have you believe, the poll tax was not scrapped because of any riots.
 
Rascal said:
Therefore if you live under the flightpath of an airport that decides to introduce night flights, you can not protest as the hours are limited.

If you are against the imposition of a new 99% tax rate you can only protest between 1pm and 1-05pm on a Thursday afternoon.

If you believe that Government has no no right to compulsory purchase the Etihad in order to knock it down and turn the land into a duck pond you can only protest on a Monday morning between 8am and 9am

If a gang of Red Indians set up camp in your local park and build Teepee's you can only protest once every 3 weeks on a Sunday morning for2 minutes between 5am and 6am.

Sorry you 500,000 who have turned up to protest against Bombing the Millstone whilst Karaoke is on but you will have to go home because you only have 2 minutes to march from the Millstone to Parliaments Square.
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None of that is ever happening though mate. You're just being silly.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The "controversial" new laws mate, include such radical ideas as being able to limit the hours protestors can stay out on the streets. And powers to remove vehicles from blocking parliament.

We are not talking about rubber bullets, tear gas or shoot to kill. Although I would be tempted.
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But it would be illegal to shout "Don't shoot!" too loudly.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
None of that is ever happening though mate. You're just being silly.
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What is happening though is you can not protest about it if it did.

I am sure you would be up in arms if tax rates went up like i suggested. You would be fuming, so would many more on the right.
 
Vic said:
No need for a bloody law then that would make it possible.
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Logic never was one of your strong points. The law is needed to stop other actions which are possible, like clogging up Oxford Street with a pink fucking boat for 3 weeks and disrupting the lives of countless thousands.
 
Rascal said:
What is happening though is you can not protest about it if it did.

I am sure you would be up in arms if tax rates went up like i suggested. You would be fuming, so would many more on the right.
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But taxes are not and will never go up as you suggeted Rascal. You are objecting about unrealistic theoretical nonsense which will never happen anyway.

Seems to me that laws which give the police more power to stop the sorts of utter bullshit we saw in Bristol at the weekend, should be welcomed. Is your best objection really that it would also cover ludicrously fictitious and unrealistic scenarios which would never happen? Seems like a very lame objection indeed.

I get why many tossers (not you) do object however. For they are the very tossers who would be impacted: The sorts of tossers who turn up at every march, intent on causing anarchy and disruption for disruption's sake. In short, complete arseholes. The new law is in effect, an anti-arsehole law, and one we should all therefore support.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Logic never was one of your strong points. The law is needed to stop other actions which are possible, like clogging up Oxford Street with a pink fucking boat for 3 weeks and disrupting the lives of countless thousands.
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Logic would say have a law against bringing a boat to a street protest, not about shouting in the street.
 
Chippy_boy said:
But taxes are not and will never go up as you suggeted Rascal. You are objecting about unrealistic theoretical nonsense which will never happen anyway.

Seems to me that laws which give the police more power to stop the sorts of utter bullshit we saw in Bristol at the weekend, should be welcomed. Is your best objection really that it would also cover ludicrously fictitious and unrealistic scenarios which would never happen? Seems like a very lame objection indeed.

I get why many tossers (not you) do object however. For they are the very tossers who would be impacted: The sorts of tossers who turn up at every march, intent on causing anarchy and disruption for disruption's sake. In short, complete arseholes. The new law is in effect, an anti-arsehole law, and one we should all therefore support.
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You are very trusting, i will give you that pal. You are quite happy to see your freedoms curtailed, yes I gave hyperbolic examples but the point stands, you would not be able to protest about anything. You would be just another drone who meekly accepts whatever an increasingly authoritarian government decides to do and an authoritarian government which against you cannot protest can do anything it wants.
 
Rascal said:
You are very trusting, i will give you that pal. You are quite happy to see your freedoms curtailed, yes I gave hyperbolic examples but the point stands, you would not be able to protest about anything. You would be just another drone who meekly accepts whatever an increasingly authoritarian government decides to do and an authoritarian government which against you cannot protest can do anything it wants.
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I didn't see the "You will not be able to protest about anything" line in the legislation.

Once again you exaggerate to the point of destroying your argument. Of course people will still be able to protest.
 
I wonder if it is possible to find a sensible middle-ground here where we acknowledge that there are concerning aspects about the proposed legislation, and that we do also have an issue with general anti-establishment / troublemakers hijacking legit protests? Once again we seem to be dividing on black and white / left and right lines and I just can't see any discussion beyond calling each other cunts taking place.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I wonder if it is possible to find a sensible middle-ground here where we acknowledge that there are concerning aspects about the proposed legislation, and that we do also have an issue with general anti-establishment / troublemakers hijacking legit protests? Once again we seem to be dividing on black and white / left and right lines and I just can't see any discussion beyond calling each other cunts taking place.
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