Adam Johnson guilty - 6 year sentence

So if I understand, you don't think he should be punished for breaking the law here, with a crime most people in the UK find morally wrong because there may be some part of the world somewhere that it isn't considered a crime. Does that go for any crime ?

That wasn't my point at all. My stance is that the act is morally ambiguous because she was 15. Saying that, he is culpable for not following the law because he knew the law before the act. However, I can't say whether punishment is justifiable because of the moral ambiguity surrounding the act.
 
I'm sure the vast majority of ISIS members see beheading and indiscriminate killing as morally acceptable so I'm not sure what you're getting it. None of us are perfect and we've probably all broken the law in some way at some point but grooming schoolgirls is a fair bit worse than nicking Creme Eggs from the local newsagent for example.

ISIS don't represent a significant portion of this planet though. I just fail to see how grooming a 16 year old or a 50 year old having sex with a 16 year old are okay in our legal system but her being a year lower changes the entire complexity of the acts.
 
Never had much time for him at City, he could have been another legend like Buzzer, but preferred to spend his time in night clubs etc. Waste of space.

Regarding the under age thing, no excuse, but if she had been one day over 16 that would have been fine in the eyes of the law.

It's a very fine line between one day under and one day over, and plenty of fifteen year olds look nineteen or twenty.

He's been a fool, and now he will have to pay the price, whatever happens his reputation is in tatters.
 
So if I understand, you don't think he should be punished for breaking the law here, with a crime most people in the UK find morally wrong because there may be some part of the world somewhere that it isn't considered a crime. Does that go for any crime ?

You might be on to something here. I'm off out later to behead a load of random people as it's acceptable in the eyes of an ISIS member. I'm going to follow that up with eating a few babies due to the fact that some natives of Papua New Guinea still practice cannibalism. I'll let you all know how I get on with my defence after I've been nicked!
 
I know what itisrising is saying but even when you impose a limit, there's moral ambiguity. You could have a mature 15 year old and an immature 17 year old. The point is you have to have a limit and whether there's moral ambiguity is a moot point. That's why we have trials, juries & sentencing guidelines.

I agree that we have to standardize it but every case is different and the legal system can't allow it which mean morally it is far from ideal. People calling him a morally bad person means that we have to look at the morals behind the act.
 
I was curious as to whether it was a family/friend connection, some connection through a kids organization, a connection at an adult location (bar, niteclub etc) or something on social media.

SlashmanX gives some context about a signed jersey.
 
Never had much time for him at City, he could have been another legend like Buzzer, but preferred to spend his time in night clubs etc. Waste of space.

Regarding the under age thing, no excuse, but if she had been one day over 16 that would have been fine in the eyes of the law.

It's a very fine line between one day under and one day over, and plenty of fifteen year olds look nineteen or twenty.

He's been a fool, and now he will have to pay the price, whatever happens his reputation is in tatters.
You had better go back to the first post and see what he has admitted to,grooming her over a long period of time knowing she was underage
 
I agree that we have to standardize it but every case is different and the legal system can't allow it which mean morally it is far from ideal. People calling him a morally bad person means that we have to look at the morals behind the act.
Here's where I don't agree with you. Having set a standard then it means people are aware of what is deemed to be moral or not. If you don't meet that standard then, by definition, you are immoral. I know we all break the speed limit at times but the same concept applies. You are knowingly doing something that isn't legal.
 
He was an adult and she was a child. There is no moral ambiguity. It is the moral responsibility of adults to protect and nurture children, not exploit them sexually.

He is still being prosecuted for the remaining two more serious offences, even though he has pled guilty to the lesser offences. The prosecution must be certain, I would think, to continue the case.
 

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