Adebayor for me was very poor

[blueplan]

We lost to Spuds because we played to their defensive strength with them parking their bus.

hahahahahahaa mate if thats them parking the bus,i want some of that!!!!
they outplayed us all over the pitch,every time they went forward it had danger,danger!,all over it....................we looked nothing like them,just a lot of huff an puff,no threat whatsoever....?????

Right! Correct me if I'm wrong the only CB that made an attacking foray/s was Kolo because we need to WIN. Other than set pieces, did theirs?

-- Thu May 06, 2010 9:21 am --

Bluemoonmatt, it's not rubbish mate, it's my opinion and it's as valid as yours. Imho he is a lazy player who plays a lot of his game time on the wing, What is rubbish about that?
Would you agree that when he is in the team Tevez has to drop deeper and deeper to get the ball as Adebayor cannot keep the ball?
Like I said I want him to do well but City is not a good fit for him. Frustrates the life out of me but I wouldn't be too upset if he left.
Not all his fault by any means, our midfield is as creative as a lump of rock, but he really needs to be in the penalty box more times and show a bit of bite.

Are we slagging him because he can't win headers that are hoofed to him from our half?
Or are we slagging him because he is not in the box?

How can he be in the box if he has to beat the offside trap?<br /><br />-- Thu May 06, 2010 9:21 am --<br /><br />

Bluemoonmatt, it's not rubbish mate, it's my opinion and it's as valid as yours. Imho he is a lazy player who plays a lot of his game time on the wing, What is rubbish about that?
Would you agree that when he is in the team Tevez has to drop deeper and deeper to get the ball as Adebayor cannot keep the ball?
Like I said I want him to do well but City is not a good fit for him. Frustrates the life out of me but I wouldn't be too upset if he left.
Not all his fault by any means, our midfield is as creative as a lump of rock, but he really needs to be in the penalty box more times and show a bit of bite.

Are we slagging him because he can't win headers that are hoofed to him from our half?
Or are we slagging him because he is not in the box?

How can he be in the box if he has to beat the offside trap?

 

[alblue]

Rubbish, how many times does it need pointing out that despite his height Ade is not nor has ever been a target man.
If we are desperate for a scapegoat why not look at a diminutive brazilian whom we know can play but didn't want to and didn't have the heart for a fight. To me its unacceptable that we have 32 million pounds of talent living it up in Brazil when he should have been here making a difference, but he didn't have the balls for it.[/quote]

Agree with you on the first part fella but the bit about Robinho is utter shite, How can you blame somebody who hasnt played for the club in months??
Surely we can only blame the players that have been there?

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Bluemoonmatt, it's not rubbish mate, it's my opinion and it's as valid as yours. Imho he is a lazy player who plays a lot of his game time on the wing, What is rubbish about that?
Would you agree that when he is in the team Tevez has to drop deeper and deeper to get the ball as Adebayor cannot keep the ball?
Like I said I want him to do well but City is not a good fit for him. Frustrates the life out of me but I wouldn't be too upset if he left.
Not all his fault by any means, our midfield is as creative as a lump of rock, but he really needs to be in the penalty box more times and show a bit of bite.

Tevez seems to do what Tevez wants to do, that is by no means a criticism as it has worked out well for him, but you can't blame his dropping deep on Adebayor, just like when Tev for large periods last night was cutting in from the right wing cannot be blamed on AJ. Ade has averaged just over a goal every other game in the league this season, that is NOT a bad return in anyones book, and certainly not when the aspect I spoke about earlier are taken into account.

Why single Ade out for scapegoating, there are many others whom I would ask to take a look at themselves this morning before Ade, not least the one who could even be bothered to stick it out.

 

[Johnno's sicknote]

have said it numerous times this season that he has to be the laziest player ever likely to see, want him out the door in the summer just not good enough for the money we have paid.

 

[Skibum]

Typical, lets blame the African when he had a decent game compared to Bellers, Tevez and even Johnson.

Close this thread you moaning bastards, we lost cos of a jammy goal after a solid performance stop finding excuses.

We lost forth cos we drew too many games this season.

14 goals 25 games 2 bans almost got killed.

Fools you disgust me.

100% agree.

If he had taken the penalties that Tevez has then his stats would have looked even more impressive.

He has a certain style which is unique and obviously frustrates a lot of fans but he is a class player.

We do need another striker though who is more mobile to complement Tev and Ade.

Get shut of RSC and get in Villa/Torres type, not saying them but that type

 

[blueplan]

Get Aguero!<br /><br />-- Thu May 06, 2010 9:42 am --<br /><br />

Bluemoonmatt, it's not rubbish mate, it's my opinion and it's as valid as yours. Imho he is a lazy player who plays a lot of his game time on the wing, What is rubbish about that?
Would you agree that when he is in the team Tevez has to drop deeper and deeper to get the ball as Adebayor cannot keep the ball?
Like I said I want him to do well but City is not a good fit for him. Frustrates the life out of me but I wouldn't be too upset if he left.
Not all his fault by any means, our midfield is as creative as a lump of rock, but he really needs to be in the penalty box more times and show a bit of bite.

Tevez seems to do what Tevez wants to do, that is by no means a criticism as it has worked out well for him, but you can't blame his dropping deep on Adebayor, just like when Tev for large periods last night was cutting in from the right wing cannot be blamed on AJ. Ade has averaged just over a goal every other game in the league this season, that is NOT a bad return in anyones book, and certainly not when the aspect I spoke about earlier are taken into account.

Why single Ade out for scapegoating, there are many others whom I would ask to take a look at themselves this morning before Ade, not least the one who could even be bothered to stick it out.

We need 2 Tevez. Tevez can't be in 2 spots at a time. Thats why I'm suggesting Aguero. Not only has he the football nous like Tevez he can SCORE too.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Agree with you on the first part fella but the bit about Robinho is utter shite, How can you blame somebody who hasnt played for the club in months??
Surely we can only blame the players that have been there?

I thought it was a very good point to be honest. If a player who has cost a lot of money doesn't even want to play for us then that is worse than a player trying his best for us, even if for some people that best doesn't appear to be good enough. You never know, if Robinho had got his head down and tried to get back in the team rather than fucking off at the first sign of trouble then maybe he could have made the difference last night. That is why he is a better target for abuse than a player who has scored quite a few goals for us and at the start of the season was one of the main reasons for winning us quite a lot of points.

 

[simon23]

ade will always be a scapegoat...this image of him has been created by the media who cannt stand the fact that he wanted to move from arsenal....he is a figure of hate deliberately targeted byt he press and media which unfortunately some of our less understanding fans seem to pick up on

last night he played no worse or better than any of the other attackers on the pitch

he was trying to run the channels, winning the ball in the air, holding it up trying to link play, geting in the box and competing

to be honest ade and tevez suffered last night once again from a one dimensional way of attacking.

Time and time again it is obvious that against better teams (spurs, utd, arsenal) and against those teams that know how to defend (everton) that we struggle to break these teams down....why?

I will tell you why....its beciase we are as i just said one dimensional.....we attack using a very basic style....down the wings and in behind....if you stop our wingers (by doubling up on them as spurs did last night and as utd did very well in the derby, then you drastically reduce our ability to create anything.

We do not have the players to play 4-4-2 against the best teams......now last night there was nothing mancini could do about it with the inury to ireland but would he have tried to do things differently if ireland had been fit and on the bench...Im not sure he would...when playing 4-4-2 any possible combination of the 2 central midfielders we could possibly put out does not work...most pairings are too defensive and not mobile enough while playing ireland in there with someone means we are left exposed as he isnt a box to box player

this is where i feel mancini has got his tactics wrong against the better teams and did so last night....spurs played very defensively in the first half....2 banks of four very close together and virtually impossible to break down...our wingers delivery isnt that of what spurs have...johnson for all his talent has no better delivery than swp and bellamy is of about equal quality to those two......so this leaves the option of the wingers having to get in behind the fullbacks either by dribbling past them or getting in behind on through balls......

1. when our wingers are doubled up on none of them are going to get in behind
2. when you have zero creativity in the middle of the park there is noone there to produce a through ball like ireland can (viera on occasion can but not on a regular basis)

this therefore leaves you looking for tevez and ade to produce something out of nothing....ade isnt that type of player and never has been...he needs service and last night he had a couple of half chances but that was it

tevez as usual worked his socks off trying but sometimes it isnt going to happen and last night was one of those times.....he was also dropping deep to try and influence the game which then leaves ade isolated and tevez out of position.

against the stongest teams (without the presence of a box to box midfielder and with the present squad), mancini should have been going 4-5-1 (which becomes 4-3-3 when attacking.

gk

back 4

swp dejong barry bellamy

ireland

tevez

now last night that wasnt possible due to irelands injury. Could he have played wither jonno or swp even in the ireland role (probably not to be honest) but he certainly could have played this foramtion at other points in the season against stronger teams and got better results

for a player who was known for his flair and attacking quality i do thing mancini is very one dimensional in terms of the way he sets his team upto attack...its predictable and quite basic and easy to stop for better teams.

this could change if he buys the right players (ie a box to box midfielder ala gerrard at peak of his game).....but i do worry that RM knows no other way of playing and that he is very rigid in the way he sets up his teams...

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Agree with you on the first part fella but the bit about Robinho is utter shite, How can you blame somebody who hasnt played for the club in months??
Surely we can only blame the players that have been there?

I thought it was a very good point to be honest. If a player who has cost a lot of money doesn't even want to play for us then that is worse than a player trying his best for us, even if for some people that best doesn't appear to be good enough. You never know, if Robinho had got his head down and tried to get back in the team rather than fucking off at the first sign of trouble then maybe he could have made the difference last night. That is why he is a better target for abuse than a player who has scored quite a few goals for us and at the start of the season was one of the main reasons for winning us quite a lot of points.

Why thank you Lancet, precisely what I was getting at totally agree with didactic too.

 

[daveduke67]

I'd say that his workrate has improved over the last month or so. Not so much of the head down and trot back to the halfway line when his chance has gone. He's started to chase the ball when it's been lost.

Surely Manchini can't have failed to notice Adebayors shortfalls. Hopefully they'll work on them through the summer. Get his heading sorted and make him stay in position - it's a lot easier to score from inside the box than from the wing!

We can't place all of the blame on Adebayors shoulders - he doesn't pick himself - Manchini does that and ultimately it will be Manchini who is judged on the results.