Adebayor to Spurs

[Mancio]

Anyone care to comment on why real get 8 to 10 million for diarra who is on 130k a week and yet we have to loan / give away ade / still pay his wages who is on 160k a week (if that) no doubt ade is a more valuable player and will have a greater impact on their side !

I can tell you why no one takes us seriously and thinks they can take the piss because we allow deals like this.

As long as people don't start moaning when we loan tevez to inter or sell him for half of what he is worth.

I love the way that people say Hughes it not to blame as well he was the one that wanted all these shit players yet its not his fault. Interesting point of view.

Fast tracking to success comes with a price i'm afraid and we're now finding that out.

It could've been done a lot cheaper but that would of took additional years to build year on year.

Do you really think the players that we're signing now would come if we wasn't in Champs League?.........we found that out to our cost last season.

To get players in to give us that leg up to the next stage cost us in contracts but it was needed to get where we are today.

If it wasn't for these contracts we wouldn't be seeing the likes of Aguero signing for a few years yet!

It's frustrating but i'm just happy that we're in a position to even be talking about it tbh

Remember saying two years ago how our squad was full of intermediate players who were not going to be the ones to win things for us and would need moving on, was told "fuck off". If nobody thought about the problem of shifting on overpaid soccerponces then MCFC are dumber than I thought!
The problem is made worse by the fact we have a manager who is to man management what Slobodan Millosevic is to racial integration!

agreed.

with a good man management mancini could make bridge bellamy onohua adebayor and RSC world beaters

 

[SebastianBlue]

Anyone care to comment on why real get 8 to 10 million for diarra who is on 130k a week and yet we have to loan / give away ade / still pay his wages who is on 160k a week (if that) no doubt ade is a more valuable player and will have a greater impact on their side !

I can tell you why no one takes us seriously and thinks they can take the piss because we allow deals like this.

As long as people don't start moaning when we loan tevez to inter or sell him for half of what he is worth.

I love the way that people say Hughes it not to blame as well he was the one that wanted all these shit players yet its not his fault. Interesting point of view.

Fast tracking to success comes with a price i'm afraid and we're now finding that out.

It could've been done a lot cheaper but that would of took additional years to build year on year.

Do you really think the players that we're signing now would come if we wasn't in Champs League?.........we found that out to our cost last season.

To get players in to give us that leg up to the next stage cost us in contracts but it was needed to get where we are today.

If it wasn't for these contracts we wouldn't be seeing the likes of Aguero signing for a few years yet!

It's frustrating but i'm just happy that we're in a position to even be talking about it tbh

Remember saying two years ago how our squad was full of intermediate players who were not going to be the ones to win things for us and would need moving on, was told "fuck off". If nobody thought about the problem of shifting on overpaid soccerponces then MCFC are dumber than I thought!
The problem is made worse by the fact we have a manager who is to man management what Slobodan Millosevic is to racial integration!

One of the few things Roberto has in common with Baconface. But it's seemingly worked with the Rags so let's hope the "play for the squad or don't play at all" comes good here, as well.

 

[levets]

Fast tracking to success comes with a price i'm afraid and we're now finding that out.

It could've been done a lot cheaper but that would of took additional years to build year on year.

Do you really think the players that we're signing now would come if we wasn't in Champs League?.........we found that out to our cost last season.

To get players in to give us that leg up to the next stage cost us in contracts but it was needed to get where we are today.

If it wasn't for these contracts we wouldn't be seeing the likes of Aguero signing for a few years yet!

It's frustrating but i'm just happy that we're in a position to even be talking about it tbh

Remember saying two years ago how our squad was full of intermediate players who were not going to be the ones to win things for us and would need moving on, was told "fuck off". If nobody thought about the problem of shifting on overpaid soccerponces then MCFC are dumber than I thought!
The problem is made worse by the fact we have a manager who is to man management what Slobodan Millosevic is to racial integration!

agreed.

with a good man management mancini could make bridge bellamy onohua adebayor and RSC world beaters

LOL... brilliant mate!!!

 

[SebastianBlue]

Fast tracking to success comes with a price i'm afraid and we're now finding that out.

It could've been done a lot cheaper but that would of took additional years to build year on year.

Do you really think the players that we're signing now would come if we wasn't in Champs League?.........we found that out to our cost last season.

To get players in to give us that leg up to the next stage cost us in contracts but it was needed to get where we are today.

If it wasn't for these contracts we wouldn't be seeing the likes of Aguero signing for a few years yet!

It's frustrating but i'm just happy that we're in a position to even be talking about it tbh

Remember saying two years ago how our squad was full of intermediate players who were not going to be the ones to win things for us and would need moving on, was told "fuck off". If nobody thought about the problem of shifting on overpaid soccerponces then MCFC are dumber than I thought!
The problem is made worse by the fact we have a manager who is to man management what Slobodan Millosevic is to racial integration!

agreed.

with a good man management mancini could make bridge bellamy onohua adebayor and RSC world beaters

I do not necessarily agree. Perhaps Onuoha or Bridge. But Bellamy (intrinsic anti-authority character), Adebayor (only serves self-interest), and RSC (made of porcelain) are beyond man-management.

Then again, if you were being sarcastic then I whole-heartedly agree. ;-)

 

[waspish]

Exactly. So why not at least keep some respect and make him rot in the reserves ?

It might well come to that but as a Club it would be more beneficial to get them off the books.

It's catch 22, we either pay them the contracted wage in the reserves or cut our losses and let them go for no fee but save on wages?

It's the cost of being in a shit position to start with i'm afraid.

It is a catch 22! What you got look at ade's on 120k a week that's about 12m a year if you give him away your saving money and that goes for bridge 90k 8.5m a year Bellamy 90k 8.5m a year and so on it's bit the bullet time and get rid. In the long run it's for the best.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Exactly. So why not at least keep some respect and make him rot in the reserves ?

It might well come to that but as a Club it would be more beneficial to get them off the books.

It's catch 22, we either pay them the contracted wage in the reserves or cut our losses and let them go for no fee but save on wages?

It's the cost of being in a shit position to start with i'm afraid.

It is a catch 22! What you got look at ade's on 120k a week that's about 12m a year if you give him away your saving money and that goes for bridge 90k 8.5m a year Bellamy 90k 8.5m a year and so on it's bit the bullet time and get rid. In the long run it's for the best.

The problem seems to be their wages mean we can't give them away. Right now reports have us in the position of having to heavily subsidize their wages in order to sell or loan, which makes no sense. Why should we pay them to play for a rival club, even if there is a nominal wage savings?

 

[waspish]

It might well come to that but as a Club it would be more beneficial to get them off the books.

It's catch 22, we either pay them the contracted wage in the reserves or cut our losses and let them go for no fee but save on wages?

It's the cost of being in a shit position to start with i'm afraid.

It is a catch 22! What you got look at ade's on 120k a week that's about 12m a year if you give him away your saving money and that goes for bridge 90k 8.5m a year Bellamy 90k 8.5m a year and so on it's bit the bullet time and get rid. In the long run it's for the best.

The problem seems to be their wages mean we can't give them away. Right now reports have us in the position of having to heavily subsidize their wages in order to sell or loan, which makes no sense. Why should we pay them to play for a rival club, even if there is a nominal wage savings?

Take Ade for example and spurs was after him and he was on 60k a week what price are we looking at for him? If he was still in contention and playing in our team as say our 3rd striker you'd be looking at about 14m! Because he not in our plans his price value is virtual Nil..therefore for spurs to have him even on a free with his wages at 120k a week on a three year contract you are looking at 36m deal

 

[TCIB]

Just fuck off Ade ffs you useless lump of shit.

Can't we just give arsenal fans a crate of stella and chuck him in the Emirates with them all ?...well it would solve the issue permanently.

 

[SebastianBlue]

It is a catch 22! What you got look at ade's on 120k a week that's about 12m a year if you give him away your saving money and that goes for bridge 90k 8.5m a year Bellamy 90k 8.5m a year and so on it's bit the bullet time and get rid. In the long run it's for the best.

The problem seems to be their wages mean we can't give them away. Right now reports have us in the position of having to heavily subsidize their wages in order to sell or loan, which makes no sense. Why should we pay them to play for a rival club, even if there is a nominal wage savings?

Take Ade for example and spurs was after him and he was on 60k a week what price are we looking at for him? If he was still in contention and playing in our team as say our 3rd striker you'd be looking at about 14m! Because he not in our plans his price value is virtual Nil..therefore for spurs to have him even on a free with his wages at 120k a week on a three year contract you are looking at 36m deal

Yes, but many reports (whether legitimate or not, they are believable given what we know of his contract) have us paying half of those new "wages" in a one-time payment in order. My point is that if it is true we just heavily subsidized Ade's wages to play at one of our rivals. We are paying him to make it more difficult to reach our goals.

 

[waspish]

The problem seems to be their wages mean we can't give them away. Right now reports have us in the position of having to heavily subsidize their wages in order to sell or loan, which makes no sense. Why should we pay them to play for a rival club, even if there is a nominal wage savings?

Take Ade for example and spurs was after him and he was on 60k a week what price are we looking at for him? If he was still in contention and playing in our team as say our 3rd striker you'd be looking at about 14m! Because he not in our plans his price value is virtual Nil..therefore for spurs to have him even on a free with his wages at 120k a week on a three year contract you are looking at 36m deal

Yes, but many reports (whether legitimate or not, they are believable given what we know of his contract) have us paying half of those new "wages" in a one-time payment in order. My point is that if it is true we just heavily subsidized Ade's wages to play at one of our rivals. We are paying him to make it more difficult to reach our goals.

If we are doing that I'm surprised no other club as come sniffing

 

[alera]

Even if he's on 160k a week (which I don't actually believe at all it's almost 3 times what he was on at arsenal) No one has explained to me why spurs will pay the 130k + a week diarra is on plus a fee of anything up to 12 million yet they expect to get ade for free or with us paying his wages etc.

Can someone explain this to me and why we would allow this ?

 

[metalblue]

Rednapp was on radio earlier saying they only looking to take Ade on loan and we'd "have to pay a big part of his £100 odd k a week wages", sounded like he thought they were doing us a favour! Fuck Harry and fuck spurs, ship him out to someone else on those terms, might well be wrong but I thought if we show him as transfer listed we could exclude his wages as part of FFP anyways.<br /><br />-- Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:22 pm --<br /><br />He also said that GC had told him at HT today that there were one or two problems/issues with he loan deal (he aluded to wages).

 

[The Future's Blue]

Exactly. So why not at least keep some respect and make him rot in the reserves ?

It might well come to that but as a Club it would be more beneficial to get them off the books.

It's catch 22, we either pay them the contracted wage in the reserves or cut our losses and let them go for no fee but save on wages?

It's the cost of being in a shit position to start with i'm afraid.

It is a catch 22! What you got look at ade's on 120k a week that's about 12m a year if you give him away your saving money and that goes for bridge 90k 8.5m a year Bellamy 90k 8.5m a year and so on it's bit the bullet time and get rid. In the long run it's for the best.

Point to note. 120k isn't 12m but just over 6. 90k is just over 4 and half.

Just saying ;-)

 

[Rammyblues]

For arguments sake if Ade is on 120K per week and Spurs pay half that is 3m per year for them and 3m a year saved for us. If we lose SWP who is also on 60K per week that means we have saved 6m per year. If Weiss is sold we get another 3m plus no doubt he may be on 20K per week so thats another 1m. Lose Bellars at 45K per week (again we pay half his wages) another 2m saved. Bridge likewise 2m and if RSC is on the same money and we do a similar deal another 2m. I am shit at maths but I make that 16m plus 2m for SWP making 18m off wages and income from outgoing transfers, that nearly in my book pays for Nasri or if not Nasri another player that Bert wants (needs). Ooops forgot about ned, we turned down 6m for him but lets suppose we now take the 6m and lose his wages of say 40K per week thats another 8 million plus the 18m equals 26m. They are never ever going to play for us so why keep them when that sort of money can be earned or saved.

 

[waspish]

It might well come to that but as a Club it would be more beneficial to get them off the books.

It's catch 22, we either pay them the contracted wage in the reserves or cut our losses and let them go for no fee but save on wages?

It's the cost of being in a shit position to start with i'm afraid.

It is a catch 22! What you got look at ade's on 120k a week that's about 12m a year if you give him away your saving money and that goes for bridge 90k 8.5m a year Bellamy 90k 8.5m a year and so on it's bit the bullet time and get rid. In the long run it's for the best.

Point to note. 120k isn't 12m but just over 6. 90k is just over 4 and half.

Just saying ;-)

Absolutely right don't where my sums came from!

 

[Blue Haze]

Rednapp was on radio earlier saying they only looking to take Ade on loan and we'd "have to pay a big part of his £100 odd k a week wages", sounded like he thought they were doing us a favour! Fuck Harry and fuck spurs, ship him out to someone else on those terms, might well be wrong but I thought if we show him as transfer listed we could exclude his wages as part of FFP anyways.

-- Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:22 pm --

He also said that GC had told him at HT today that there were one or two problems/issues with he loan deal (he aluded to wages).

He is such a cheap dodgy ****. I hope he ends up in prison.

 

[bodak]

For arguments sake if Ade is on 120K per week and Spurs pay half that is 3m per year for them and 3m a year saved for us. If we lose SWP who is also on 60K per week that means we have saved 6m per year. If Weiss is sold we get another 3m plus no doubt he may be on 20K per week so thats another 1m. Lose Bellars at 45K per week (again we pay half his wages) another 2m saved. Bridge likewise 2m and if RSC is on the same money and we do a similar deal another 2m. I am shit at maths but I make that 16m plus 2m for SWP making 18m off wages and income from outgoing transfers, that nearly in my book pays for Nasri or if not Nasri another player that Bert wants (needs). Ooops forgot about ned, we turned down 6m for him but lets suppose we now take the 6m and lose his wages of say 40K per week thats another 8 million plus the 18m equals 26m. They are never ever going to play for us so why keep them when that sort of money can be earned or saved.

Great post.

 

[SebastianBlue]

For arguments sake if Ade is on 120K per week and Spurs pay half that is 3m per year for them and 3m a year saved for us. If we lose SWP who is also on 60K per week that means we have saved 6m per year. If Weiss is sold we get another 3m plus no doubt he may be on 20K per week so thats another 1m. Lose Bellars at 45K per week (again we pay half his wages) another 2m saved. Bridge likewise 2m and if RSC is on the same money and we do a similar deal another 2m. I am shit at maths but I make that 16m plus 2m for SWP making 18m off wages and income from outgoing transfers, that nearly in my book pays for Nasri or if not Nasri another player that Bert wants (needs). Ooops forgot about ned, we turned down 6m for him but lets suppose we now take the 6m and lose his wages of say 40K per week thats another 8 million plus the 18m equals 26m. They are never ever going to play for us so why keep them when that sort of money can be earned or saved.

Great post.

I was never arguing the monetary savings (I am an economist after all), and although there are some gaps in that post I'll focus on just my point.

Say we save the entirety of the amount refered to in the above post (however unlikely for severals reasons), now imagine a scenario where Adebayor helps Tottenham--who have yet to play a match this season--pip us for at the very least fourth (which is not so unbelievable given their main weakness is their strike force). We have, in effect, just paid a player to prevent us from reaching our goals. I think it is a very unsound policy to undertake anything that can potentially aid in own downfall. It would be different if this was Malaga or PSG, but we are "selling" him to Spurs.

I have seen many a sour business deal similar to this because one party was not fully aware of the consequences of their actions. I hope this is not a likewise situation. If this is absolutely necessary, then so beit, but I for one will not take it with a smile.

 

[alera]

No one has explained why Real get a big fee and all wages paid and permanent deal for diarra on similar wages to adebayor from spurs. So I will say why real won't have the piss taken out of them and conduct their transfer business properly. We do not.

This isn't about money because we don't need the money clearly and abebayor wages do not go towards ffp anyway.. Also the savings listed 25 million we will loose that in tevez transfer fee alone by coming across as complete pussies that can be walked all over in deals like this.

 

[kiam06]

I can't believe anybody at City is actually considering strengthening our rivals and paying them for the pleasure too, this is not a good deal for anybody we should have found him a club overseas or left him in the reserves.

If Spurs get ten extra goals this season out of Adebayor and we don't get in the top 4 we will look a bit silly in my opinion.

Don't do it City!