Adebayor to Spurs

Wreckless Alec said:
I'm not sure it is right to blame anyone. When our new owners took over, wee were nowhere. Virtually all our early signings were hasty acquisitions for which we overpaid simply to get them to the club with a view to progressing to the next stage.

Whatever we think of them in realtion to our current squad the likes of Robinho, Adebayor and Bellamy were a serious step up on what we had. They fulfilled that first target by taking us to the verge of the Champions League. In short, they were stepping stones taking us to where we want to be. Indeed, that goes for all our players and will always be the case. I don't blame them for getting what they can, nor do I blame anyone for bringing them in on terms that we can't get rid of them. Time will sort all this out.

Now as for Hughes bringing in Crocky.......
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Yep good post that's my thoughts exactly
 
blueinsa said:
Soulboy said:
alera said:
They wont take him permanent as thats £30 million in wages over the next 3 seasons even if its on a free. That said he is a £30 million player when he feels like it which is not often.

The latest line is they want a loan for the season but wont break there wages structure so will make a one off payment to the player to cover the difference or give us an extra loan fee to give the player to cover the difference in wages.

Really its daft to do any deal like this at all especially with Spurs, its the message it sends out to players, agents and other clubs.

We made the mistake of giving Hughes the job in the first place. We made the mistake of giving him all that money to sign shit players on stupid contacts and stupid wages.
We should take the punishment but in such a way it doesnt cause a risk to our future progression. If its got to be a loan like this it should be outside the league or else we should just pay the money for them to sit round doing nothing. It doesnt go towards FFP anyway but it down to experience and make an example out of them.

No one but ourselves to blame for signing all this shit in the first place.

On a side note Diarra is on £85k after tax apparently. With the UK upper tax rate of 50% and NI thats around £127,000 + a week. I note that Real Madrid are still getting a permanent deal for around £8 - £10 million.

Why is that ? because Real Madrid are not looked on like pussies in the market that can have the piss taken out of them. If we go for a deal like this with Spurs even if they pay the wages watch what happens with Tevez and the other players we have to get rid of. People dont seem to understand the concept of perception and one action having an effect on another.
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While not wishing to defend Hughes, this was not down to him.

The deals were done by pretty much the same people that are doing the deals now!

Fair's fair. People are responsible for their own actions, and I'm almost certain Hughes did not negotiate the deals.

If he did, what the fuck are we employing Cook, Marwood et al for then?
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Hughes was out of his depth but you are spot on when saying he is not the one that signed the cheques at the end of the day and others have to hold their hands up.
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Im not exactly a member of the Mark Hughes appreciation society, but those deals were more down to Marwood and Cook than Hughes.

The same people who are now having to call the sheik and explain why players they paid millions for are now to be sold for 30p and a short shoestring.
 
Ade was never same after the media witch hunt orchestrated against him after the arsenal match.
 
mat said:
Ade was never same after the media witch hunt orchestrated against him after the arsenal match.
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to be fair after his subsequent ban following the incident he went to ACON and we all know what happened there, I would say that had more of an impact on his performance than the media, personally I would have prefered him to go back to Madrid.
 
Anyone care to comment on why real get 8 to 10 million for diarra who is on 130k a week and yet we have to loan / give away ade / still pay his wages who is on 160k a week (if that) no doubt ade is a more valuable player and will have a greater impact on their side !

I can tell you why no one takes us seriously and thinks they can take the piss because we allow deals like this.

As long as people don't start moaning when we loan tevez to inter or sell him for half of what he is worth.

I love the way that people say Hughes it not to blame as well he was the one that wanted all these shit players yet its not his fault. Interesting point of view.
 
alera said:
Anyone care to comment on why real get 8 to 10 million for diarra who is on 130k a week and yet we have to loan / give away ade / still pay his wages efor ade who is on 160k a week (if that) no doubt ade is a more valuable player and will have a greater impact on their side !

I can tell you why no one takes us seriously and thinks they can take the piss because we allow deals like this.

As long as people don't start moaning when we loan tevez to inter or sell him for half of what he is worth.

I love the way that people say Hughes it not to blame as well he was the one that wanted all these shit players yet its not his fault. Interesting point of view.
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Agree completely that whilst we allow clubs to think they can take the piss with loan deals for senior players, they will try it on and only us can put a stop to it.

If you want one of our players, you pay the going rate.

On Hughes, who i didn't rate one bit btw, he wasn't the only one giving the deals the ok and there are people still involved who have to admit a certain amount of responsibility as well and to suggest otherwise is frankly ridiculous imo.
 
Losing patience with cook and marwood to be honest. Backed them to the hilt In The past but I have to say I agree with Mancini. It's just not good enough how our transfer business is being conducted currently.

Cook is a great marketing and sales man but he's not an administrator and its costing us dear on so many deals both incoming and outgoing.

I say grow some balls have some respect for the image we are projecting of the club in player signing and sales negotiations. We are not a door mat to be walked all over.

If real Madrid, arsenal, rags would not sanction deals like this why should we ?
 
alera said:
Anyone care to comment on why real get 8 to 10 million for diarra who is on 130k a week and yet we have to loan / give away ade / still pay his wages who is on 160k a week (if that) no doubt ade is a more valuable player and will have a greater impact on their side !

I can tell you why no one takes us seriously and thinks they can take the piss because we allow deals like this.

As long as people don't start moaning when we loan tevez to inter or sell him for half of what he is worth.

I love the way that people say Hughes it not to blame as well he was the one that wanted all these shit players yet its not his fault. Interesting point of view.
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Fast tracking to success comes with a price i'm afraid and we're now finding that out.

It could've been done a lot cheaper but that would of took additional years to build year on year.

Do you really think the players that we're signing now would come if we wasn't in Champs League?.........we found that out to our cost last season.

To get players in to give us that leg up to the next stage cost us in contracts but it was needed to get where we are today.

If it wasn't for these contracts we wouldn't be seeing the likes of Aguero signing for a few years yet!

It's frustrating but i'm just happy that we're in a position to even be talking about it tbh
 
That's fine I understand that.

What I don't understand is the way we deal with getting rid of the deadwood.

If we are going to give decent players away why do it to our competitors ? If the players won't go elsewhere pay the money for them to sit round and do nothing. At least it shows we won't be walked all over by the players or other clubs.

Gifting them to competeing sides in our own league makes it worse and impossible to get value for other players we are selling.

We are acting like distressed forced sellers when we couldn't be further from this. It effects all our other player negotiations new players we sign and new contracts for existing players can't people see this ?
 
We had good offers from Adebayor by a few clubs like Zenit and PSG (before they'd made their big signings so...) but he refused to go there.

He is a first class c*nt and I wish him nothing but the worst.
 
Exactly. So why not at least keep some respect and make him rot in the reserves ?
 
alera said:
Exactly. So why not at least keep some respect and make him rot in the reserves ?
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Because we will have to pay his wages for effectively doing nothing, and we don't want him around the place sulking and whinging. You're far too bothered about what people think about us imo. Fair enough some people will take the piss if we end up having to pay some of his wages in order to get rid, but when we're up there competing for the title at the end of the season who will really give a shit?
 
quiet_riot said:
Utter BS that Adebayor is on 170k a week. Who makes these figures up?
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exactly more media bulls**t he's actually on 169k a week,but on a serious note, if he was that interested in playing week in week out,it would be in his interests to take a hit in his wages to secure a move, know doubt about it he is a cnut of the highest order....
 
alera said:
Exactly. So why not at least keep some respect and make him rot in the reserves ?
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It might well come to that but as a Club it would be more beneficial to get them off the books.

It's catch 22, we either pay them the contracted wage in the reserves or cut our losses and let them go for no fee but save on wages?

It's the cost of being in a shit position to start with i'm afraid.
 
alera said:
Exactly. So why not at least keep some respect and make him rot in the reserves ?
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Because ffpr is real and a loan gives us 7 million in profit and the potential to sell in a year for 12.
 
Danamy said:
alera said:
Anyone care to comment on why real get 8 to 10 million for diarra who is on 130k a week and yet we have to loan / give away ade / still pay his wages who is on 160k a week (if that) no doubt ade is a more valuable player and will have a greater impact on their side !

I can tell you why no one takes us seriously and thinks they can take the piss because we allow deals like this.

As long as people don't start moaning when we loan tevez to inter or sell him for half of what he is worth.

I love the way that people say Hughes it not to blame as well he was the one that wanted all these shit players yet its not his fault. Interesting point of view.
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Fast tracking to success comes with a price i'm afraid and we're now finding that out.

It could've been done a lot cheaper but that would of took additional years to build year on year.

Do you really think the players that we're signing now would come if we wasn't in Champs League?.........we found that out to our cost last season.

To get players in to give us that leg up to the next stage cost us in contracts but it was needed to get where we are today.

If it wasn't for these contracts we wouldn't be seeing the likes of Aguero signing for a few years yet!

It's frustrating but i'm just happy that we're in a position to even be talking about it tbh
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Remember saying two years ago how our squad was full of intermediate players who were not going to be the ones to win things for us and would need moving on, was told "fuck off". If nobody thought about the problem of shifting on overpaid soccerponces then MCFC are dumber than I thought!
The problem is made worse by the fact we have a manager who is to man management what Slobodan Millosevic is to racial integration!
 
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