Afghanistan

Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
It will never end. War forevermore in Afghanistan.
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War had stopped essentially for several years. Whether it was forever peace is another matter. But umpteen places have enjoyed / are enjoying long-term peace after international intervention - not risk-free but ultimately the only way to combat ideological extremism (and those who exploit it for personal gain).
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Shocking pictures and people dying in the Airport compound it’s out of control they don’t have facilities for thousands of people. Its worse in the streets outside the airport
Our government no where to be seen and all on holiday while our soldiers try to deal with it
I think we’ll have more terror threats on our streets after this, they won’t keep there word they’ll be planning attacks as we speak the west looks very weak at the moment

The Afghans lost, 700,thousand in the battles it’s not right to believe they wouldn’t fight I’d be reluctant to fight if we lost all those people
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I think you misunderstand that it wasn't the Taliban who ever really attacked us and so they won't be planning anything. What the Taliban did do was harbour allies such as Al Qaeda who did attack us and that's why we went into Afghanistan after 9/11.

The more interesting thing is the Taliban are technically an ally at the moment given we are still at war with ISIS. There's a real chance that the main resistance could become ISIS and there we essentially have Syria mk2. Obviously it seems bad now but it could get far worse and so we are more than better off staying out of the region.

What we should be doing meanwhile is following the money and asking why were the Taliban given safe status for years by the Qatari government?
 
Vic said:
So a civil war, like Syria and Yemen?
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Im not sure what you are trying to prove Vic. I post something blindingly obvious which is being glossed over by the UK news media and you then try and downplay their effectiveness by comparing the Afghan Army with the plight of the Jews during the Holocaust which is frankly incomparable, bizarre and rather insulting and then when you realise your error you compare the 7 day capitulation of the Afgan army with the civil wars in Syria and Yemen which have been sadly rumbling on for years. Again little comparison.

I guess this is all part of your strategy to try and blame something, everything and anything at the foot of Johnson and the western powers.

Sorry but im not going to engage any longer its pretty low level tedious predictable stuff.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Im not sure what you are trying to prove Vic. I post something blindingly obvious which is being glossed over by the UK news media and you then try and downplay their effectiveness by comparing the Afghan Army with the plight of the Jews during the Holocaust which is frankly incomparable, bizarre and rather insulting and then when you realise your error you compare the 7 day capitulation of the Afgan army with the civil wars in Syria and Yemen which have been sadly rumbling on for years. Again little comparison.

I guess this is all part of your strategy to try and blame something, everything and anything at the foot of Johnson and the western powers.

Sorry but im not going to engage any longer its pretty low level tedious predictable stuff.
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It wasn't clear that your comment "would you fight or defend your family against oppression. i know which i would choose" was confined to members of the Afghan army. I took it as having wider application, but even in the context that it seems you meant, just war doctrine says you don't carry on fighting when the war is lost. I don't think I'd have to delve very far to find cases where a foreign army left an allied native army on its own and the native troops surrendered. Dunkirk?
 
The reality is that we do not have a big impact on the world stage, we can’t even pull together a NATO alliance without US influence. Understandable with how we, and the other nations, have underfunded, allowing the US to take up the slack.

We have no allies, no influence, our political capital has been completely dissolved,
 
White House providing daily, sometimes more, updates on the evacuation. Latest:

‘Since August 14, the U.S. has evacuated and facilitated the evacuation of approximately 48,000 people. Since the end of July, we have re-located approximately 53,000 people.’

This seems to include evacuations by all countries, not just US. I imagine it will ramp up further in the remaining eight days.

UK is to ask US to extend the deadline. The US will make a determination on that as it is being discussed, although, I suspect the US just wants this over as quickly as possible.

I will put money on the US painting the amount of people evacuated as a triumph of planning and logistics, especially if they do rack up the numbers in the time left.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
What do we do when Biden fails to extend the deadline tomorrow just leave British citizens behind ? it’s unthinkable
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Its not up to Biden. Its up to the Taliban who have said no extension. It is unthinkable but if Global Britain and The Special Relationship really were a thing then there might just might be some leverage - Instead Biden can just ignore Johnson's call.............like Raab did.
 
Ben Wallace extolling the government success of getting up to 8500 people out of the country, forgetting that this should have been done prior to pulling the troops out.

How many are going to be left behind, Mr Wallace?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Its not up to Biden. Its up to the Taliban who have said no extension. It is unthinkable but if Global Britain and The Special Relationship really were a thing then there might just might be some leverage - Instead Biden can just ignore Johnson's call.............like Raab did.
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Seems like nobody is prepared to take Johnson’s calls, he’s burned too many bridges.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
What do we do when Biden fails to extend the deadline tomorrow just leave British citizens behind ? it’s unthinkable
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We need to up our game .... the US has removed close on 39,000 from Afghanistan compared to our 8500. The US have mobilised civilian aircraft.... we haven't ..... in fact all we have done is to procrastinate.

There was never an orderly retreat by the losing side in a war (remember Vietnam)..... for the Yanks this seems to be going fairly well.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
We need to up our game .... the US has removed close on 39,000 from Afghanistan compared to our 8500. The US have mobilised civilian aircraft.... we haven't ..... in fact all we have done is to procrastinate.

There was never an orderly retreat by the losing side in a war (remember Vietnam)..... for the Yanks this seems to be going fairly well.
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To be fair there's a very good reason for this.

The aircraft of choice to get people out so far has been the C-17 and the US Air Force has 220 of them.

We have these aircraft too but we only have 8.

Basically, the RAF is not capable of pulling out anymore than we already have.
 
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