stonerblue
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Air Traffic Control failure across UK
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This sounds like a failure of the ADS-B system on the air traffic side. ADS-B is a digital system where aircraft report their position and flight information digitally to receivers around the country.
If the controllers can't receive or manage ADS-B then they'll have to revert to physical radar. Controllers then have to handover between each radar sector and that usually means passing the aircraft details via a phone call just like the good old days.
Because this is a massive pain in the arse they have to limit the amount of aircraft in the system.
If the controllers can't receive or manage ADS-B then they'll have to revert to physical radar. Controllers then have to handover between each radar sector and that usually means passing the aircraft details via a phone call just like the good old days.
Because this is a massive pain in the arse they have to limit the amount of aircraft in the system.
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hampshireblue
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Here is a perfect example of a little bit of knowledge leading to a post that is so inaccurate on so many levels. The failure had nothing to with ADSB-B.This sounds like a failure of the ADS-B system on the air traffic side. ADS-B is a digital system where aircraft report their position and flight information digitally to receivers around the country.
ADS-B is what feeds websites like FlightRadar24. Controllers/NATS will have their own receivers and a system to manage the aircraft data and it's one of these two that has failed by the sound of it.
If the controllers can't receive or manage ADS-B then they'll have to revert to physical radar but that has limitations in that physical radar returns are only visible locally. Controllers will have to handover between each radar sector and that usually means passing the aircraft details via a phone call just like the good old days.
Because this is a massive pain in the arse they have to limit the amount of aircraft in the system.
NATS en-route controllers do indeed have their "own receivers"-it's called radar, and is what we use everyday. Funnily enough they are"physical" radars that we use, in that they are actually there in front of us. The radar picture is processed in such a manner that a controller can see aircraft several hundred miles away should they wish to do so. Transferring aircraft between sectors is done electronically, and yesterdays failure would have absolutely no effect on that.
Need I go on?........................
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are you a baggage handler :)Here is a perfect example of a little bit of knowledge leading to a post that is so inaccurate on so many levels. The failure had nothing to with ADSB-B.
NATS en-route controllers do indeed have their "own receivers"-it's called radar, and is what we use everyday. Funnily enough they are"physical" radars that we use, in that they are actually there in front of us. The radar picture is processed in such a manner that a controller can see aircraft several hundred miles away should they wish to do so. Transferring aircraft between sectors is done electronically, and yesterdays failure would have absolutely no effect on that.
Need I go on?........................
johnny crossan
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"The software fell over" apparently.
hilts
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"The software fell over" apparently.
Hate it when that happens
It was tough yesterday and felt so sorry for so many people who had their days ruined. Seeing kids crying due to not getting to Disney etc and frazzled parents.
madness around MAN T1 but I did feel sorry for the ground staff. EZY got in early and cancelled everything , I suspect to get the hotels booked. Jet2 holding off and causing problems further down the line.
Lets hope theres not much knock on today but with crews out of hours or planes out of location its going to take a few days
madness around MAN T1 but I did feel sorry for the ground staff. EZY got in early and cancelled everything , I suspect to get the hotels booked. Jet2 holding off and causing problems further down the line.
Lets hope theres not much knock on today but with crews out of hours or planes out of location its going to take a few days
hampshireblue
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A simplistic, but accurate description. Why and how is a different matter. It may well be the system actually did what it was designed to do in a certain circumstance, but then the identification of the issue and subsequent re-start took longer than expected. Time will tell. hope it's sorted by Friday for our trip to Malta!!"The software fell over" apparently.
LangleyBlue1970
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Someone from work due home today. His next available flight is Sunday.
He’s ecstatic.
He’s ecstatic.
west didsblue
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Nothing to do with ADS-B.This sounds like a failure of the ADS-B system on the air traffic side. ADS-B is a digital system where aircraft report their position and flight information digitally to receivers around the country.
If the controllers can't receive or manage ADS-B then they'll have to revert to physical radar. Controllers then have to handover between each radar sector and that usually means passing the aircraft details via a phone call just like the good old days.
Because this is a massive pain in the arse they have to limit the amount of aircraft in the system.
It was a problem related to the automatic submission of flight plans into the system that needed to be processed manually instead.