Alan Henning - how should we respond?

[intheknow!]

I'm not in agreement with regards to nuking but I believe we could have ground troops protecting villages and civilians from Isis. I think protecting people from these dispicable backward thinking murderers is number 1 on our priorities list

Oh and they made it our problem when they behead our citizens

ISIS now control an area the size of Britain stradling parts of two countries (Syria and Iraq), how is it possible to station enough troops around various different villages to protect "civillians" and who exactly are those who need protecting? How will we know who needs protecting and who actually supports ISIS? They will be sitting targets for suicide bombers, IED explosions etc etc. How much is all this gonna cost?

France, Turkey, Italy and Germany have paid ransoms and had their hostages freed. UK Gov could have done the same but they chose not to.

Right we all know what you think, you have spent the best part of the last 12 hours regaling us about how bad we are in the west, but you have not given us a solution to the problem, all you seem to be saying is that we should have paid a ransom (blaming the government for not doing so) are you suggesting that we should just stand back and allow ISIL free reign right across the Middle East to rape and murder and convert by the sword?

We need to get out of the imperialist mindset, using phrases about us "allowing" people to do things. Who are we? Why are we saying who can do things and who cant?

As ive said this needs to be sorted out by Muslims in their own lands in the Middle East. Its not our fight, it has nothing to do with Europeans or Americans. Free our hostages and allow the various sects to fight it out. The minute the west intervenes they will unite against us and then when we retreat again they will go back to fighting it out among themselves. Why prolong the inevitable? As I already said this is a showdown that has been coming since the death of the prophet.

 

[bluemoon32]

Leave them to it, about time the locals out there rose up against IS.
Please no more ground troops of ours to be sent out there as it won't change a thing.
The whole fcuking area is a cesspit of religious loons, they deserve each other.

 

[marco]

France, Turkey, Italy and Germany have paid ransoms and had their hostages freed. UK Gov could have done the same but they chose not to.

Whilst regrettable, all that would happen if ransoms were to be paid, would be a "how much is a life worth" crisis.

Apart from highlighting yourselves as "payers" therefore making your citizens a target, you'd get this scenario.

Say we paid £100,000 for the first hostage. They'd ask for £1 million for the next. And then the next?

I don't know of an answer to that because a line would be eventually be drawn and of course, they'd be killed.

There is no evidence that Countries who pay ransom have their citizens targeted for kidnap more than those who dont.
UK Gov could've saved Alan Henning and others, they chose not to.

thats our policy 'end of' we don't negotiate with these kind of people, we have had the SAS in there risking there own life's trying to locate them, we are certainly not sitting back doing nothing, further to your point on ransoms why would ISIS even request a ransom, there not exactly skint and are currently selling off three million pounds worth of oil a DAY

 

[bobmcfc]

ISIS now control an area the size of Britain stradling parts of two countries (Syria and Iraq), how is it possible to station enough troops around various different villages to protect "civillians" and who exactly are those who need protecting? How will we know who needs protecting and who actually supports ISIS? They will be sitting targets for suicide bombers, IED explosions etc etc. How much is all this gonna cost?

France, Turkey, Italy and Germany have paid ransoms and had their hostages freed. UK Gov could have done the same and they chose not to.

You talk about cost them say we should pay ransoms ?? I don't know exactly how it could be done as I'm not a specialist in ground warfare and military strategy. I guess the powers that be will figure it all out and decide what we should do. I have no say in it and neither will you

We supposedly live in a democracy, so surely we should have a say in things because its in our name that our Military fights and in our name that our leaders act and our money that finances these things. I would also say that the so called specialists havent a clue either, thats why Iraq and Afghanistan was such a humiliating failure for us.

To launch another ground offensive is going to cost billions, paying a ransom would have cost a few million. Other European Countries have always paid ransoms. I would rather spend our money at home. I dont want more Tory cuts and yet spending billions on wars that cannot be won.

Isis are funding their organisation with Syrian oil ! So far they have smuggled out $800m dollars worth over the border into Turkey. They can buy more guns, more bombs, recruit more psychopathic murders into their ranks and expand over into egypt, Israel, Jordan etc are we to let this happen ? How long before they are operational to pull off another world trade centre ??? They hate us and hitting the UK and US on our own soil on a regular basis is their ultimate aim. And they will achieve it if we just bury our naive heads in the sand and try to convince ourselves it's just a Middle East problem
How will you react to the cost we pay down the line if we don't cut the head off the beast now ?

 

[Ban-jani]

Leave them to it, about time the locals out there rose up against IS.
Please no more ground troops of ours to be sent out there as it won't change a thing.
The whole fcuking area is a cesspit of religious loons, they deserve each other.

I'm trying to hold back when I see posts like this.

I'll just say you don't know enough about the situation if you genuinely think that.

 

[malg]

Team America could sort this out in a couple of easy strikes. They sorted out the nonsense in Paris, then a bit of 'valmorfication' on Gary, and they sorted the mess in Egypt.

 

[mackenzie]

We cannot stand back and watch innocent human beings being massacred in their thousands. It's beyond belief to even suggest it.

 

[MaccJoe123]

Leave them to it, about time the locals out there rose up against IS.
Please no more ground troops of ours to be sent out there as it won't change a thing.
The whole fcuking area is a cesspit of religious loons, they deserve each other.

I'm trying to hold back when I see posts like this.

I'll just say you don't know enough about the situation if you genuinely think that.

Exactly they are making it out as if its as simple as a muslim vs muslim war. When in fact it is ISIS massacring entire towns.

 

[intheknow!]

Whilst regrettable, all that would happen if ransoms were to be paid, would be a "how much is a life worth" crisis.

Apart from highlighting yourselves as "payers" therefore making your citizens a target, you'd get this scenario.

Say we paid £100,000 for the first hostage. They'd ask for £1 million for the next. And then the next?

I don't know of an answer to that because a line would be eventually be drawn and of course, they'd be killed.

There is no evidence that Countries who pay ransom have their citizens targeted for kidnap more than those who dont.
UK Gov could've saved Alan Henning and others, they chose not to.

thats our policy 'end of' we don't negotiate with these kind of people, we have had the SAS in there risking there own life's trying to locate them, we are certainly not sitting back doing nothing, further to your point on ransoms why would ISIS even request a ransom, there not exactly skint and are currently selling off three million pounds worth of oil a DAY

If thats our policy "end of" then innocent people like Alan Henning will get killed.Other European countries save their citizens, UK doesnt. I dont support UK policy.

Trying to locate them?What a joke,it proves my point, the terrain favour them not us,we cant even stop 15 yr old school girls going to fight the jihad from our own borders ffs. Truth is they dont have a clue where these people are, they still havent located Mullah Omar, from the Taliban or Zawahiri. It took a decade to find Bin Laden when he was hiding in plain sight in Pakistan.

 

[Ban-jani]

Leave them to it, about time the locals out there rose up against IS.
Please no more ground troops of ours to be sent out there as it won't change a thing.
The whole fcuking area is a cesspit of religious loons, they deserve each other.

I'm trying to hold back when I see posts like this.

I'll just say you don't know enough about the situation if you genuinely think that.

Exactly they are making it out as if its as simple as a muslim vs muslim war. When in fact it is ISIS massacring entire towns.

Yep and as Girlbob excellently put above, it won't be long until they're hitting the west.

Underestimating the problem would be a grave grave mistake.