Alan Sugar

[west didsblue]

If that is the case, who published it? How do you know? Why did the Guardian, which covered the row extensively not mention the provenence of the picture? Is it suggested that Sugar photoshopped it? Or did he just find it? As i said, am willing to change my mind, but all those pointing fingers seem to be very short on facts, which is why i am suspicious of their motives.

Are you really a lawyer?

 

[jay_mcfc]

God i'm glad someone has pointed this out. It wasn't even a joke, it's just shit and, in my view, racist.

Racism comes in many shapes and forms and whilst I agree that Alan Sugar probably doesn't actively hate black people, his joke does betray the fact he probably holds some racist views and assumptions about black people. There's certainly some kind of "othering" going on in his head if that's the kind of thing that springs to mind when he sees some black people and he expects other people to be on his wavelength with that too. He should have just apologised straight away.

For somebody to see a group of black athletes, competing at the absolute pinnacle of their profession and their brain somehow associate that with people selling counterfeit goods on a beach thousands of miles away, IS disrespectful and offensive. I don't even know how he made that reach, there's no other elements at play that lead you to make that association. They're not on a beach, there's no items floating around that people would usually sell on a beach and they're not dressed like beach vendors. It's literally only the colour of their skin he's going off there.

If you went to see a doctor and he was black, would you make the joke "oh it's funny seeing you here, think i saw you selling knock off sunglasses on the beach in Marbella last week." Of course you wouldn't.

He fucked up and he should have held his hand up. Those who are trying to suggest the people pulling him up on it are somehow in the wrong need to go for a lie down.

Brilliant.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

At what point won't we be able to say scousers are thieving bin dipping candle lighting bottle throwing twats?

That’ll never happen....

 

[nellyonthewing]

Nail on head.

And what's amusing is that the same people who complain about "racism" here wouldn't bat an eyelid if exactly the same stereotyping joke was made about a group of white people, which suggests they are the ones who are racist in the first place

Exactly -massive case of double standards by those crying racist but happy to stereotype an entire City.

 

[Don Karleone]

Racist ****.

 

[Bill Walker]

Alan 'Lord Alan' Sugar is a ****.

Im guessing we'd all agree on that

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

So is stereotyping and racism the same thing these days

No of course it isnt. Unless you are reinforcing racist views by lazily stereotyping, obviously. But as a sensible human being you understood that. Right?

 

[Bewar3them00n]

Nail on head.

And what's amusing is that the same people who complain about "racism" here wouldn't bat an eyelid if exactly the same stereotyping joke was made about a group of white people, which suggests they are the ones who are racist in the first place

That’s where you’re wrong, because there’s the weight of history, of slavery, and what’s happening right now in America and to some extent here in the UK behind this tweeted image, it’s reinforcing decades of ingrained stereotyping, that black and Asian people have been fighting against. Who can forget Love thy neighbour, or Mind Your Language? Instead we now have the likes of the insidious Tommy Robinson, and Nigel Farage poking the fires of nationalism in a post brexit wasteland.
Mancs taunt scousers with the bin dipper, yosser Hughes jokes, fair enough, they give as good as they get, but once you bring race, and colour into the equation, it becomes a whole different ball game, that tickling stick, soon becomes a heavy stick to beat someone down with

 

[The Northern Baptist]

This was another 'joke' knocking about on twitter over the last few days.

Poland fans have gone on the rampage in Moscow. Police say 300 cars have been washed, waxed and hoovered.

Now, both are equally insulting in my eyes. Only the Alan Sugar one was seen as racist though, with the other laughed off and seen as being funny by many people.
Why's that?

 

[hilts]

That’s where you’re wrong, because there’s the weight of history, of slavery, and what’s happening right now in America and to some extent here in the UK behind this tweeted image, it’s reinforcing decades of ingrained stereotyping, that black and Asian people have been fighting against. Who can forget Love thy neighbour, or Mind Your Language? Instead we now have the likes of the insidious Tommy Robinson, and Nigel Farage poking the fires of nationalism in a post brexit wasteland.
Mancs taunt scousers with the bin dipper, yosser Hughes jokes, fair enough, they give as good as they get, but once you bring race, and colour into the equation, it becomes a whole different ball game, that tickling stick, soon becomes a heavy stick to beat someone down with

Good post apart from having a pop at uncle nige, a true great amongst useless modern politicians