Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

bluethrunthru said:
BoJo in the dock?

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The achilles heel with running a private prosecution is that the CPS can take over the prosecution at any time and have the power to subsequently drop it; although I highly doubt that would occur in this instance. Justice needs to be seen to be done. The right to bring and maintain a private prosecution is enshrined in statute (s6 Prosecution of Offenders Act 1985) and they would not want to be seen to be so publicly undermining that.

One big advantage of conducting a private prosecution is that you don’t expose yourself to any risk of a costs award against you should the prosecution fail, as the defendant’s costs (or a proportion of them) are paid out of central funds, rather than from the prosecution, unless the prosecutor has behaved egregiously. Even if Johnson is acquitted, he will still have to stump up for most of his legal fees (which won’t be cheap) out of his own pocket. Pretty sure he doesn’t qualify for legal aid.

It has all the makings of the trial of the century (so far)
 
bluethrunthru said:
Not surprising - duplicitous cnut of a man.
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I know someone very well who worked very closely with Boris for several years. His politics are at the other end of the spectrum from Boris's, but what he told me about the man on many occasions indicates that your statement above could not be further from the truth.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I know someone very well who worked very closely with Boris for several years. His politics are at the other end of the spectrum from Boris's, but what he told me about the man on many occasions indicates that your statement above could not be further from the truth.
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Charm and even kindness are often confused with sincerity.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Wysiwyg with Boris. I know that's not what some with their left wing agenda want to hear but I'm affraid it's the truth. Khan on the other hand is apparently all image, smoke and mirrors.
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Your description of Khan sounds spot on, and his performance as London Mayor reinforces it.

but "Wysiwyg with Boris" You must be having a laugh, the difference between what you see and what you get is a chasm, I struggle to identify another British politician where the gap between what they say and what they do is wider.

Even May avoids that pitfall by refusing to answer any questions at all.

PS: you think Khan is a left wing darling? The left despises Khan.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Wysiwyg with Boris. I know that's not what some with their left wing agenda want to hear but I'm affraid it's the truth. Khan on the other hand is apparently all image, smoke and mirrors.
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So he really is a bumbling oaf who doesn't do detail and is ignorant of his brief to the extent that he caused a British citizen to be further detailed on spying charges in Iran? Also a serial womaniser who has zero respect for his wife and kids? I'd kind of worked that out already but many thanks for confirming.
 
bluethrunthru said:
So he really is a bumbling oaf who doesn't do detail and is ignorant of his brief to the extent that he caused a British citizen to be further detailed on spying charges in Iran? Also a serial womaniser who has zero respect for his wife and kids? I'd kind of worked that out already but many thanks for confirming.
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I never said he had no faults. Perhaps you don't have any?

As for Zaghari Ratcliffe. I think there is more to this than meets the eye! Reading between the lines i dont think she is as innocent as the UK media would have us all beleive. Perhaps Boris was being just too honest??
 
The perfect fumble said:
Your description of Khan sounds spot on, and his performance as London Mayor reinforces it.

but "Wysiwyg with Boris" You must be having a laugh, the difference between what you see and what you get is a chasm, I struggle to identify another British politician where the gap between what they say and what they do is wider.

Even May avoids that pitfall by refusing to answer any questions at all.

PS: you think Khan is a left wing darling? The left despises Khan.
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I dont particularly like any politician. But I have had specific unbiased feedback by someone I trust implicitly on two or three including Johnson. You on the other hand I suspect base your views on what you read in the media and certain outlets within the media that have agendas. It's not easy to form balanced opinions in this day an age.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I never said he had no faults. Perhaps you don't have any?

As for Zaghari Ratcliffe. I think there is more to this than meets the eye! Reading between the lines i dont think she is as innocent as the UK media would have us all beleive. Perhaps Boris was being just too honest??
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Visiting family / teaching journalists - yeah easy mistake to make - people make it all the time I am sure. He is a knob who only has one interest at heart. Himself.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Visiting family / teaching journalists - yeah easy mistake to make - people make it all the time I am sure. He is a knob who only has one interest at heart. Himself.
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Perhaps you should read about what organisations she worked for in the UK? And what their agendas were? It's an interesting read I can assure you.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I dont particularly like any politician. But I have had specific unbiased feedback by someone I trust implicitly on two or three including Johnson. You on the other hand I suspect base your views on what you read in the media and certain outlets within the media that have agendas. It's not easy to form balanced opinions in this day an age.
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This made me smile.

I thought I was the patronising one.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Perhaps you should read about what organisations she worked for in the UK? And what their agendas were? It's an interesting read I can assure you.
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So? Can't people take a holiday at their family home - even if its in a country with a dubious regime - without the finger of suspicion falling on them from conspiracy theorists? Are the BBC World Trust Foundation and Thompson Reuters sub divisions of MI5 and MI6 respectively now?

Still doesn't divert from the fact that Johnson dropped a bollock and he knew it and tried to back track straight away - plus made no headway in getting her released as once again he was more wrapped up in his own career and future - even above that of his party never mind one poor sod held in prison abroad.

Simple fact is he is such a prick he cannot even muster enough support in his own party to topple what is widely accepted to be the worst PM in living memory.
 
bluethrunthru said:
So? Can't people take a holiday at their family home - even if its in a country with a dubious regime - without the finger of suspicion falling on them from conspiracy theorists? Are the BBC World Trust Foundation and Thompson Reuters sub divisions of MI5 and MI6 respectively now?

Still doesn't divert from the fact that Johnson dropped a bollock and he knew it and tried to back track straight away - plus made no headway in getting her released as once again he was more wrapped up in his own career and future - even above that of his party never mind one poor sod held in prison abroad.

Simple fact is he is such a prick he cannot even muster enough support in his own party to topple what is widely accepted to be the worst PM in living memory.
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Tens of thousands of people from the Uk go to Iran and see family and conduct business. When you go there to encourage regime change I would suggest you are on extremely dodgy ground.

The media in this country have biased agendas. The reporting of the Hedges case was a classic example with very little written or reported that could be viewed as impartial. Do you really believe that Hedges wasn't reporting his findings to GCHQ! Different case and issues I know but I used it as an example of the way the media report things as they want to and think it should be reported.

Look at the current media campaign against City. Completely agenda driven and biased.

Johnson has his faults without doubt. He makes gaffs. He like 25% of the UK population has had a divorce, you dislike him for that ?? I just feel a more balanced view is a better option.

I agree May incompetent, but i think you should wait to give her the accolade of worst PM until she has taken us into two illegal wars ? Lol


Anyway I have a bit of shopping to do and a few beers to sink. Good debate. Have a good day. Cheers
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Tens of thousands of people from the Uk go to Iran and see family and conduct business. When you go there to encourage regime change I would suggest you are on extremely dodgy ground.

The media in this country have biased agendas. The reporting of the Hedges case was a classic example with very little written or reported that could be viewed as impartial. Do you really believe that Hedges wasn't reporting his findings to GCHQ! Different case and issues I know but I used it as an example of the way the media report things as they want to and think it should be reported.

Look at the current media campaign against City. Completely agenda driven and biased.

Johnson has his faults without doubt. He makes gaffs. He like 25% of the UK population has had a divorce, you dislike him for that ?? I just feel a more balanced view is a better option.

I agree May incompetent, but i think you should wait to give her the accolade of worst PM until she has taken us into two illegal wars ? Lol


Anyway I have a bit of shopping to do and a few beers to sink. Good debate. Have a good day. Cheers
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You'll have to share your information and proof as to what she was doing there with the group speaking of dodgy ground.

No I don't dislike him for being divorced - I have one of those behind me myself. What I do dislike is his lying ( to family among others ) and his being lauded as some sort of political genius - mostly by those Brexit extremists who would have anybody over May just so ( they hope) we can leave on a No Deal basis so don't give a fuck about the guys other abilities. I mean overlooking £52k in earnings. Honest mistake or attempt to get away with it? In either event ruffling his hair and doing his buffoon act to explain away (not) doing something that just highlights he is an incompetent - as I say he cannot galvanise his own party is sufficient numbers so why any of them think he would do so to the country baffles me.
 
ALL politicians would sell their nans to the local glue factory for power or political advantage. In this respect Boris isn't too bad as far as politicians go.
 
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