Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[blueinsa]

It will eventually ... but surely the point of testing is to identify those that have been infected and can go about their normal day and don't need vaccination ...

And I've said, numerous times we are not Iceland with 365,000 population we are the UK with nearly 70 Million.

Appreciate you are so on top of things you could get us all tested and isolated by Wednesday at the latest but in the real world it isn't ever happening.

 

[crazyg]

That's another awful decision that families have to make.
I agreed to one ten years ago, for my great uncle. It wasn't a nice feeling at all.

When my mum was in hospital for the final time, I had a long chat with the consultant, who bluntly told me that she wouldn't be leaving in anything other than a box. I'd already guessed that, and, as the next of kin, told him to put DNR on her file, as that is what she would want. (We'd already discussed this with my younger brother). it was a heart breaking decision for us all, and she died within the week. Unfortunately, it was 9 years ago today, so the screen, as I'm typing, is a little blurred.

 

[Mon Autre]

For now, I'm a bit forgiving if the government for three reasons.

First, it's such a big undertaking to manage this whole thing, and mistakes are inevitable.

Second, we can compare to other countries but at this stage we'll only be able to judge to effectiveness of it when it's all over.

And third, when the government tells people to do something, I want them to listen, not ignore them because all they've heard is that the government don't know what they're doing.

Maybe putting too much trust in them, but what option do we have.

Just have to hope they get more decisions right than wrong.

And in time, it will be a hell of a review. And all these decisions and statements and strategies will need to be explained.

There is an irony though, in that it probably would have been even worse if everyone had waited to take their cues from government. The government's slowness to act led organisations to take it upon themselves to cancel events and mass gatherings. The football stopped of their own accord when it became apparent what was happening in other countries.

I'm certain we'll be told to wear facemasks eventually too, but lots of people are already doing it anyway. It's felt at times like the public have been ahead of the government advice at times.

 

[blueinsa]

Mate, you're saying there's no testing.

No I'm not.

Im saying that to track and trace you have to start at such a low infection rate and know you have that.

We knew very early on that the infection rate in the UK was of such a scale, much like Italy, Spain etc that it simply couldn't be done.

As testing increases and the infection rates drop will will go back to track and trace as per the CMO.

 

[Shaelumstash]

And I've said, numerous times we are not Iceland with 365,000 population we are the UK with nearly 70 Million.

Appreciate you are so on top of things you could get us all tested and isolated by Wednesday at the latest but in the real world it isn't ever happening.

The real world like South Korea, for example?

 

[blueinsa]

The real world like South Korea, for example?

have they tested every single citizen?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

And I've said, numerous times we are not Iceland with 365,000 population we are the UK with nearly 70 Million.

Appreciate you are so on top of things you could get us all tested and isolated by Wednesday at the latest but in the real world it isn't ever happening.

I suppose my point was .... tested prior to receiving a vaccine .. would stop the administration and the cost attached.

Tested prior to application for certain jobs .... we know we're never going to test everyone ( However without testing we are going to have to vaccinate everyone)

 

[blueinsa]

The real world like South Korea, for example?

As of 19 April, the UK had carried out 6.2 tests per 1,000 people, whereas Germany had done 25.11 per 1,000, Italy 19.93 and South Korea 10.46, according to data collated by online scientific publication Our World in Data from official sources.

Your South Korea has tested roughly half per 1000 people than Italy which suggests to me their numbers on deaths are not to be believed in the slightest given their population and population density.

 

[west didsblue]

have they tested every single citizen?

No but they did it in conjunction with track and trace and used technology as well for the tracking. We decided it was too hard. They’ve got 244 deaths out of a population of 50 million. Taiwan did even better, 6 deaths on a densely populated Island of 23 million people.
They were the benchmark and had history in dealing with pandemics so I wouldn’t expect large densely populated western countries with totally different cultures to do as well as them but they’re not totalitarian regimes like China and still managed to do well with the consent of the people.
I would however expect us to do better than Italy as we had two additional weeks up front to take appropriate measures which we criminally didn’t bother doing.

 

[blueinsa]

No but they did it in conjunction with track and trace and used technology as well for the tracking. We decided it was too hard. They’ve got 244 deaths out of a population of 50 million. Taiwan did even better, 6 deaths on a densely populated Island of 23 million people.
They were the benchmark and had history in dealing with pandemics so I wouldn’t expect large densely populated western countries with totally different cultures to do as well as them but they’re not totalitarian regimes like China and still managed to do well with the consent of the people.
I would however expect us to do better than Italy as we had two additional weeks up front to take appropriate measures which we criminally didn’t bother doing.

This is not directed at you or said for argument but 244 deaths is for the fairies.