Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[TCIB]

First of all..

Fook yeah,Wolves!!

Now, to business!

I don't actually disagree with what AOC says. You obviously disagree with the way she says it by saying she speaks about things in a 'childish' way.

I think she actually breaks it all down to its simplicity, so that everyone, Dumb Repub voters and all, can understand the nuance of what she's saying.

That's effective communication! People think #45 is a GENIUS for talking in a more 'childish' manner than 'AOC'!!

It's not her idea about building an economy around Green legislation, it's a think tank's, but she's super happy to be that spokesperson.

Did you know that 80% of Americans support this way forward and actually WANT to cut away from fossil fuel living...??

Did you know that the Gen Z kids of today are more Progressive than anything else and what that means for the US (& other parts of the world) in the future??

Well yes people want to move away from fossil fuel but it is not so easy is it. Look at Germany, they stopped Nuclear stations, what happened to them? they had to turn the coal fires back on which made their carbon footprint worse than it was previously. That is a prime example of Cortez's politics, again just look at her rational for croissants, it is pretty obvious she would have to turn the coal fires back on.

Even if you half the republican estimates for what her ideal would cost to implement per household it is a hell of a lot still. A figure only the comfy elite can stomach a it would not hit them as much as your average household. To the rest of us that is crippling.

Your comments on her language are interesting as i have read up on this. You may want to also as it really does not help your position, i say that without ego or some smarmy punchable smile. Democrats have notably used less advanced terminology and oratorical standards when talking to or appealing to non whites. This is an issue of appealing to certain sections of society in a racist manor. In short republicans have not discriminated against anyone and speak to all equally. The democrats have a notably different approach. Namely using small words to those who are black/mexican. These findings are pretty concrete so as not to be open to interpretation but rather definitive results. The report was from Yale if memory serves. You are surely aware of this "dumbing down" issue? The term currently in use is "competence downshift".

Now you may see that as a simplification or someone trying to obfuscate reality, i see that as down right disgusting. The assumption African Americans are less able to grasp advanced terminology i find racist. I would suggest to those who see fit to use this method they are simplistic racists.

I have no truck with sesquipidalian oratorical methods, indeed they are romantic if used correctly and not by some bumbling mp who quickly googled "synonyms for..." so they sound good in the houses. Nor should any politicians weaponize it in such an underhand way in my opinion.

 

[Bigga]

Well yes people want to move away from fossil fuel but it is not so easy is it. Look at Germany, they stopped Nuclear stations, what happened to them? they had to turn the coal fires back on which made their carbon footprint worse than it was previously. That is a prime example of Cortez's politics, again just look at her rational for croissants, it is pretty obvious she would have to turn the coal fires back on.

Even if you half the republican estimates for what her ideal would cost to implement per household it is a hell of a lot still. A figure only the comfy elite can stomach a it would not hit them as much as your average household. To the rest of us that is crippling.

Your comments on her language are interesting as i have read up on this. You may want to also as it really does not help your position, i say that without ego or some smarmy punchable smile. Democrats have notably used less advanced terminology and oratorical standards when talking to or appealing to non whites. This is an issue of appealing to certain sections of society in a racist manor. In short republicans have not discriminated against anyone and speak to all equally. The democrats have a notably different approach. Namely using small words to those who are black/mexican. These findings are pretty concrete so as not to be open to interpretation but rather definitive results. The report was from Yale if memory serves. You are surely aware of this "dumbing down" issue? The term currently in use is "competence downshift".

Now you may see that as a simplification or someone trying to obfuscate reality, i see that as down right disgusting. The assumption African Americans are less able to grasp advanced terminology i find racist. I would suggest to those who see fit to use this method they are simplistic racists.

I have no truck with sesquipidalian oratorical methods, indeed they are romantic if used correctly and not by some bumbling mp who quickly googled "synonyms for..." so they sound good in the houses. Nor should any politicians weaponize it in such an underhand way in my opinion.

I must admit, I'm liking this discussion!

I wrote this in Feb...

The 'Green New Deal' could actually happen sooner than you think via the 'TVA'.


TVA made a $1Bn profit in 2016/ 17 and can create bonds for itself if it needs to expand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority

Your Gov owns this. It creates jobs and clean energy!!

As far as I know, the reason that this isn't rolled out nation wide is because private businesses stamped their feet. I know that TVA are looking to bin the coal aspect of their arm and #45 has begged them not to in the last 24hrs.

TVA is not without its faults, but if it were tweaked and made safer (coal-less) and unleashed nationwide, some Progressives think this would be the starting point of 'The Green New Deal'.

Nothing wrong with thinking about the future.

TVA has since gotten rid the coal arm of its business.

There was obviously some component or deep lack of support that turned Germany away from moving forward with their initiative. If the US start to action TGND then Germany may well return to their coal-less direction.

Moving on to the cost of TGND, polls suggest that Americans support TGND way more than the Trillion Dollar Tax Cut given to the billionaires that didn't need it! Reverse that decision, tax the 1% and wealthy business more.

What that suggests is yes, citizens would contribute more towards fighting climate change damage/ effects. This is where innovation comes into its own as the US gov would fund the best ideas and that's where jobs come from. You have to speculate a little in order to accumulate.

I don't think it's 'racist' at all, for the way she speaks. I think, for most of the time, she's constantly thinking on her feet, so it comes across the way it does. She's not the orator that Obama was and I'm glad she's not.

I'd rather she be honest than slick, so we'll have to agree to disagree on her delivery.

 

[TCIB]

I must admit, I'm liking this discussion!

I wrote this in Feb...



TVA has since gotten rid the coal arm of its business.

There was obviously some component or deep lack of support that turned Germany away from moving forward with their initiative. If the US start to action TGND then Germany may well return to their coal-less direction.

Moving on to the cost of TGND, polls suggest that Americans support TGND way more than the Trillion Dollar Tax Cut given to the billionaires that didn't need it! Reverse that decision, tax the 1% and wealthy business more.

What that suggests is yes, citizens would contribute more towards fighting climate change damage/ effects. This is where innovation comes into its own as the US gov would fund the best ideas and that's where jobs come from. You have to speculate a little in order to accumulate.

I don't think it's 'racist' at all, for the way she speaks. I think, for most of the time, she's constantly thinking on her feet, so it comes across the way it does. She's not the orator that Obama was and I'm glad she's not.

I'd rather she be honest than slick, so we'll have to agree to disagree on her delivery.

Thanks for the considered reply, i agree this is a fine debate we are now having, or as i see it, a polite conversation. Debate i feel takes on sinister connotations these days with the heady political climate, i digress...

That is fair enough, i respect you reasoning on her delivery, to go deeper into that i would say thus... Cortez as a kind of moulded piece on a playing board. I feel she has been chosen by a more quiet back bencher set who really run the dems in a way. The republicans i feel would act exactly the same if their public faces needed help. They are using her as a pawn i feel to test the water where and where they can not go. That they chose her very very deliberately. Let us be totally frank here; you do not get where she is without "the powers that be" willing it so.

I feel her personal politics are sound but she is being used like bait, if she gets gobbled up then they will not worry to much. Her personal ideals though i would suggest are not far from mine as yours to. Just how we get there because i can assure you the city of London would not like me if i were Thanos for a while :-D

The TVA seems like something i would buy into totally. It seems to be without any agenda, just do a good job above all else. Give me 20 David E Lilienthal's to run the world and i would be happy.

 

[Bigga]

Thanks for the considered reply, i agree this is a fine debate we are now having, or as i see it, a polite conversation. Debate i feel takes on sinister connotations these days with the heady political climate, i digress...

That is fair enough, i respect you reasoning on her delivery, to go deeper into that i would say thus... Cortez as a kind of moulded piece on a playing board. I feel she has been chosen by a more quiet back bencher set who really run the dems in a way. The republicans i feel would act exactly the same if their public faces needed help. They are using her as a pawn i feel to test the water where and where they can not go. That they chose her very very deliberately. Let us be totally frank here; you do not get where she is without "the powers that be" willing it so.

I feel her personal politics are sound but she is being used like bait, if she gets gobbled up then they will not worry to much. Her personal ideals though i would suggest are not far from mine as yours to. Just how we get there because i can assure you the city of London would not like me if i were Thanos for a while :-D

The TVA seems like something i would buy into totally. It seems to be without any agenda, just do a good job above all else. Give me 20 David E Lilienthal's to run the world and i would be happy.

Good, we're coming to a consensus, I think?

IMO Ocasio-Cortez is extremely raw and I'm just querying what you mean by AOC being 'used as a pawn'. That would take a particularly smart Republican who isn't a part of the GOP, yet! Not even GOP contributors like Fox are anywhere close. She was a peoples' choice, no corp business invested in her. If you're picking out anything it's where she got selected from to primary against est. Dem Joe Crowley. She's a 'Justice Democrat' pick, which is a Progressive movement funded by individual donations.

She hasn't been baited by the GOP, and boy have they tried! They're all constantly reacting rather than pro-acting where AOC is concerned.

It's all rather entertaining.

Pelosi is already irritated by her and her defeat of Crowley and has set about motions to stop more Progressive support coming into the Dem party.

I'm just wondering which of Pelosi and AOC are 'Brutus' is this act...

All that aside, I hope you find time to watch and analyse the content I posted.

 

[WNRH]

She’s off her rocker. Another one who got a bit of praise and publicity for saying something early on, liked the attention and now wants more of it along with the power.

Her latest Instagram live video spouting nonsense whilst drinking wine and building furniture was cringey.

A goddess for the politically thick who like the way she says things and how she ruffles the old men up in Congress. Cos that’s what modern politics is all about......

 

[Banned Tosspot]

 

[Banned Tosspot]

She gets funnier by the day...

 

[bluethrunthru]

I think that she is the victim of a sustained campaign to discredit her from the right shows how much in reality they think she is a threat.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think that she is the victim of a sustained campaign to discredit her from the right shows how much in reality they think she is a threat.

And Banned Tosspot fires 90% of his posts into here about her.

Shows she’s ruffled a few feathers.

 

[bluethrunthru]

And Banned Tosspot fires 90% of his posts into here about her.

Shows she’s ruffled a few feathers.

Had him on ignore for a few months now so I am spared that.