Alexis Sanchez

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Eaglechief said:
I'm not sure why Arsenal would let one of their best players leave halfway through the season, when everything is still up for grabs for league and cup positions etc.

In any case, I've just never been enthusiastic about Sanchez because he doesn't offer anything that is significantly different to what we already have. I would have preferred that the club tried to sign Diego Costa or someone like that with a physical presence and an aerial threat, to allow our midfielders and full/wing backs greater options for attacking with high crosses or more direct balls into space. Sanchez would simply be more of the same, pass, pass, bloody pass into the net football.
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If Sanchez is starring in their team & they are competing as you say, it would be difficult to imagine them letting him go (unless he had agreed with Arsenal, to concentrate & give his all, provided they sell him in Jan, of course) but if he is playing like a man who doesn't want to be there, then he's gone, in Jan.

He could choose either of those methods to get out.

I agree on the rest btw.

But Pep clearly wants him.
 
A lot of people on here still clutching at straws. Lets see how the land lies in Dec before proclaiming he will defo join us in Jan. For now he is their player, we have games coming up to focus our minds on.
 
mosssideblue said:
A lot of people on here still clutching at straws. Lets see how the land lies in Dec before proclaiming he will defo join us in Jan. For now he is their player, we have games coming up to focus our minds on.
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TBH, I reckon the mods should shut this thread. Been literally nothing worthwhile in it since the window closed. Just the pantomime "he's coming" "no he's not" "yes he is" from people who like going round in ever decreasing circles.
 
MCFC1993 said:
You seriously think they're going to be in contention for a top 4 place?

They will be nowhere near the top 4.
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Arsenal frequently start the season in crisis and then have a very good run in autumn and early winter. They might end this season in 5th or 6th place, but where will they be at the end of December? If they're no more than 4 or 5 points off of 4th spot then they can't really throw the towel in, which they would be doing if they sold Sanchez.

The other issue is the Europa League and the quality of the teams that drop into it from the CL. It became apparent last December that there was very little quality opposition standing between United and them and winning the EL. It was clearly very winnable for them even though they were playing quite poorly at the time. The same might be true for Arsenal this year.
 
cibaman said:
Arsenal frequently start the season in crisis and then have a very good run in autumn and early winter. They might end this season in 5th or 6th place, but where will they be at the end of December? If they're no more than 4 or 5 points off of 4th spot then they can't really throw the towel in, which they would be doing if they sold Sanchez.

The other issue is the Europa League and the quality of the teams that drop into it from the CL. It became apparent last December that there was very little quality opposition standing between United and them and winning the EL. It was clearly very winnable for them even though they were playing quite poorly at the time. The same might be true for Arsenal this year.
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Even by the end of December I don't think they will be anywhere near the top 4. The Europa League is their best shot, it's riskier but easier than qualifying via the league.

None of this is a true measurement though. The most important question is whether Sanchez is contributing to their position. If he does the bare minimum until January, it's irrelevant what position they're in because he won't be contributing to it, in which case it would be better to cash in on him and try and get someone who will contribute.
 
Dobsy said:
It's a reasonable inference that he doesn't want to be there based on him turning down a lucrative contract extension. Actions speak louder than words.
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Spot on.

mosssideblue said:
Not sure I understand your first point. For me, I dont see him joining us in Jan. Arse have already cut their nose for a much higher value.
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If he causes trouble and never really plays then I can see them selling him albeit at a higher rate than what some of us are suggesting we should offer.

Neville Kneville said:
If Sanchez is starring in their team & they are competing as you say, it would be difficult to imagine them letting him go (unless he had agreed with Arsenal, to concentrate & give his all, provided they sell him in Jan, of course) but if he is playing like a man who doesn't want to be there, then he's gone, in Jan.

He could choose either of those methods to get out.

I agree on the rest btw.

But Pep clearly wants him.
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Agreed but if I were Sanchez is never trust Wenger to keep his word. As the saying goes, "once bitten..."
 
salfordpaul said:
Please don't get pissed off with me, I haven't been following the whole thread !

Juast a bit gutted tbh that we didn't land the lad ! I feel with him we could have won the league. I don't think any team won the league with 2 strikers....might be wrong though.

Onwards and upwards
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I feel your pain mate but how many Strikers did Chelski have last season?
 
BillyShears said:
TBH, I reckon the mods should shut this thread. Been literally nothing worthwhile in it since the window closed. Just the pantomime "he's coming" "no he's not" "yes he is" from people who like going round in ever decreasing circles.
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The whole forum is a pantomime of increasing and decreasing circles. Thats what forums and message boards are. Much better to stimulate active and interesting discussion rather than kill dull stuff. Its a player thread. The quality (As personally subjective as it is) will pick up soon enough.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
The whole forum is a pantomime of increasing and decreasing circles. Thats what forums and message boards are. Much better to stimulate active and interesting discussion rather than kill dull stuff. Its a player thread. The quality (As personally subjective as it is) will pick up soon enough.
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Ohh no it won't!
 
It's hard to believe that Arsenal were so inept as to leave the Sanchez transfer until the final moments of the window without first securing one or two for-sure replacements.

IMO Arsenal were engaged in a game of chicken - hoping to get the most from us by waiting - but realizing that a sale would be necessary, or else they'd effectively be paying 50M+ for an unmotivated player for one year.

Recap of the transfer:
1) Sanchez wants to leave Arsenal and has made it clear that his only acceptable destination is Manchester City;
2) Arsenal aren't at all happy with Sanchez; in fact, Arsental went after Sanchez in the press (so he's even less likely to be motivated to play his best);
3) The players at Arsenal want Sanchez out given the drag he's having on the dressing room;
4) Sanchez is in the last year of his contract and there's zero chance that he'll sign an extension. Meanwhile City are offering a ton of cash for Sanchez. Take the money now, or get far less (or nothing at all) in 6 months/a year.
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So, bottom line... Arsenal were more than willing to sell - can you fault our management for failing to secure a replacement for Sanchez (rhetorical question - we have no business trying to negotiate on behalf of Arsenal).
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For me, we did everything we could to sign Sanchez - and certainly Arsenal were willing to sell.

The complete collapse at Arsenal at the end of last season (no C/L football) and continuing on to this season makes Arsenal a toxic destination for top talent. Perhaps we should have realized this and somehow made it clear to Arsenal that they're under a huge handicap to sign attractive players - and hence, they need to offer prospects far more than normal to sign them - but really, would this have worked even if we tried (presuming of course that we did not).
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Sanchez in the Winter window then at a far reduced price?

Maybe so.

Wenger out by the Winter window? - there's a fair chance of this IMO. And perhaps this will improve our chances of signing Sanchez in the Winter window.
 
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The recent behind the scenes documentary at QPR emphasised the utter incompetence of football club management away from the pitch. With perhaps one or two exceptions (the rags for example) I think it's probably the same everywhere. Arsenal are just the latest example of what we all got used to in the 1970's and beyond - as seen in that wonderful documentary of our own - City!

Weirdly I always thought Arsenal were better than that. What a pitiful shambles they have become.
 
BillyShears said:
TBH, I reckon the mods should shut this thread. Been literally nothing worthwhile in it since the window closed. Just the pantomime "he's coming" "no he's not" "yes he is" from people who like going round in ever decreasing circles.
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I think it's fair to leave it open until the lad speaks himself or plays a game. It's interesting still.
 
The Sanchez chapter is closed for 12 months - we simply didn't get it over the line. Personally I think it was now or never as a few have said. We may go back in January or next summer but I'd be tempted to let Arsenal lose him for free and go toe to toe with them for Lemar - younger, better long term buy etc. I'm sure we'll see what this season brings and reconsider our options.
 
nmc said:
The Sanchez chapter is closed for 12 months - we simply didn't get it over the line. Personally I think it was now or never as a few have said. We may go back in January or next summer but I'd be tempted to let Arsenal lose him for free and go toe to toe with them for Lemar - younger, better long term buy etc. I'm sure we'll see what this season brings and reconsider our options.
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Yep. I wonder myself if we will bother at all with him next year? He is no spring chicken.
 
All I can say about the Sanchez debacle on deadline day was that City (and in turn Sanchez*) f**ked up in trying to sign him. Still we need to be learn lessons from this** and how we try and obtain talented players from the established clubs (who have a lot of reason to give us a hard time over such transfers), most of all that there is no point acting in a honorable and gentlemanly manner if the end result is that we fail to sign the player at the end of the day. So when it comes to future transfers we need to start playing hardball both earlier and more overtly.

Still though if this was actually the case I did admire City for telling Arsenal to get lost over Sterling, simply because Sanchez or no Sanchez we still need Sterling within our squad due to the amount of games City will have to play (every season) to reach the goals the owners have set for our club and the fact that (while perfect) Sterling is a talented player who can become WC with the right sort of coaching (i.e. what Pep is doing). So it would have been bad for us and bad for Sterling if we sent him off to the Emirates, because regardless of what he did in the past, Wenger is nowhere near as good as he was when it came to developing players.

*For not being more forceful in trying to leave the Gunners in the first place, at the very least he should have pushed though a transfer request as soon as the season ended.

**Not the least putting a £75 million bid for him on January 1st. Likewise (just to punish the club and the fact we need such players in the first place), we should also bid for Lacazette (who surely must be wondering why he moved to Arsenal in the first place) and stop them getting Lemar as well.
 
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