Alexis Sanchez

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I know this is not an Arsenal forum but to continue the theme I cannot believe that they allow one man (Wenger) so much power and responsibility. He clearly is an extremely intelligent and capable guy and deserves the highest praise for his past achievements, but to me many of their current issues stem from the fact that he just hasn't or is unable to move with the times. He is spread to thinly!

These days Big clubs deploy several people to perform the roles that AW currently does himself. He appears to be their Director of Football, Chief Operating Officer and Team Coach all in one. Every season they appear to get players (that they want to keep) in the last year of their contracts which cannot help the stability of the football club.

They used to be known as the Bank of England club for the model way in which they were run, an example of strength and stability. From a distance IMO Arsenal are now run shambolically with too much being asked of an aging manager.

The current situation with Alexis must worry Arsenal fans, who are I find to be generally amongst the most knowledgeable. Deep down I suspect they all fear the player will go because that is the path they have continued tread for a number of years.

My money is on a transfer that is for certain.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Just wondering what GunnerGer or our other Arsenal fans think now. I know opinion changes by the day, but I still think ultimately Sanchez will come to us.
If this doesn't happen and we get Mbappe instead I won't be upset, but out of the two, I've always thought it would most likely come down to the last day with Sanchez.

It would seem that the last couple of weeks may see some major movement.
Don't care too much who goes where, just looking forward to a good start against Brighton.
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Apart from the 'injury', we are just going around in circles having the same discussion about who holds the cards, why Arsenal should sell, why Arsenal will defo sell etc! I dont think there's anything more to add which i haven't added already, the apparent injury doesn't change much because we are still guessing. Sure, it's suspicious, but he's not the only 1 carrying something, we could be without Ozil, Ramsey, Mustafi & Mertesacker as well who have fitness worries.

3 weeks left of the window, so we wont have too long to wait now. I'm having a sly chuckle now, as we've heard for the past 6 months how we'll lose our best player & everyone else will strengthen & we'll be left behind. Now it looks like Coutinho would like to leave Liverpool, it's obvious Conte didnt want to lose Matic, Spurs have lost Walker & perhaps Rose now, it's not as easy as folk think to keep the modern player happy it seems!
 
GunnerGer said:
Apart from the 'injury', we are just going around in circles having the same discussion about who holds the cards, why Arsenal should sell, why Arsenal will defo sell etc! I dont think there's anything more to add which i haven't added already, the apparent injury doesn't change much because we are still guessing. Sure, it's suspicious, but he's not the only 1 carrying something, we could be without Ozil, Ramsey, Mustafi & Mertesacker as well who have fitness worries.

3 weeks left of the window, so we wont have too long to wait now. I'm having a sly chuckle now, as we've heard for the past 6 months how we'll lose our best player & everyone else will strengthen & we'll be left behind. Now it looks like Coutinho would like to leave Liverpool, it's obvious Conte didnt want to lose Matic, Spurs have lost Walker & perhaps Rose now, it's not as easy as folk think to keep the modern player happy it seems!
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Yes, it is interesting that despite all the money in English football, the top teams do not appear to have improved their squads significantly, except City.

Arsenal - If they can keep Sanchez they could be slightly stronger than last season with Lacazette. If Sanchez leaves they look a little weaker to me.
Liverpool - so far more or less a stand still IMO. If they loose Coutinho they will be weaker than last season. Salah is a good player but he does not address their biggest needs of improvement. They probably will get problems with squad depth now they play European football.
United - Lukaku at best a like for like replacement of Ibrahimovic, Lindelöf well .. hard to understand why they bought him, Matic never convinced me in the past. If Fellaini leaves, Matic is also a like for like replacement, meaning United will have stood still quality wise.
Chelsea - Morata for Costa is not a good change IMO, at best I suppose like for like. Looks pretty much like a stand still for them quality wise. Squad depth does look problematic for them.
Tottenham - no matter what their fans say it is not good for them to loose Walker, so at the moment they look slightly weaker than last season to me. If they also loose Rose they will have big problems.
City - we have a new defense so IMO we look quite a bit stronger already.
 
GunnerGer said:
Apart from the 'injury', we are just going around in circles having the same discussion about who holds the cards, why Arsenal should sell, why Arsenal will defo sell etc! I dont think there's anything more to add which i haven't added already, the apparent injury doesn't change much because we are still guessing. Sure, it's suspicious, but he's not the only 1 carrying something, we could be without Ozil, Ramsey, Mustafi & Mertesacker as well who have fitness worries.

3 weeks left of the window, so we wont have too long to wait now. I'm having a sly chuckle now, as we've heard for the past 6 months how we'll lose our best player & everyone else will strengthen & we'll be left behind. Now it looks like Coutinho would like to leave Liverpool, it's obvious Conte didnt want to lose Matic, Spurs have lost Walker & perhaps Rose now, it's not as easy as folk think to keep the modern player happy it seems!
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Only 22 more days of the endless speculation and then the football actually played becomes the focus.
 
GunnerGer said:
Apart from the 'injury', we are just going around in circles having the same discussion about who holds the cards, why Arsenal should sell, why Arsenal will defo sell etc! I dont think there's anything more to add which i haven't added already, the apparent injury doesn't change much because we are still guessing. Sure, it's suspicious, but he's not the only 1 carrying something, we could be without Ozil, Ramsey, Mustafi & Mertesacker as well who have fitness worries.

3 weeks left of the window, so we wont have too long to wait now. I'm having a sly chuckle now, as we've heard for the past 6 months how we'll lose our best player & everyone else will strengthen & we'll be left behind. Now it looks like Coutinho would like to leave Liverpool, it's obvious Conte didnt want to lose Matic, Spurs have lost Walker & perhaps Rose now, it's not as easy as folk think to keep the modern player happy it seems!
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It's always been the same the best player want best wages and to play with what they class as the best players. Couthinh seemed happy at the dippers but would you or anyone else turn away Barcelona to stay there? I for certain wouldn't. Most of these players are from all over the world and just trying to get the most out of their careers.
 
slicky202 said:
It's always been the same the best player want best wages and to play with what they class as the best players. Couthinh seemed happy at the dippers but would you or anyone else turn away Barcelona to stay there? I for certain wouldn't. Most of these players are from all over the world and just trying to get the most out of their careers.
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Oh, i'm not slating them mate. I just found it amusing that a couple of months ago that we were the butt of the jokes while everyone else will just keep their players & automatically strengthen & we will be left behind as we are on a downward spiral. As Jazzman has said, you guys seem the only team that have significantly strengthened their weak positions. Mourinho is frustrated at Utd not doing the business he wants, Conte is frustrated at City, Klopp & Liverpool making real hard work of the VVD & Keita deals, can't tell me Poch is happy with what's going on at Spurs. Just think football fans in general need to remember real life football is not quite Football Manager.
 
We saw with Fergie at the Rags that over time - too much power, influence and knowledge was vested in one individual - when he left the club to some extent imploded - because no one dare challenge or understand what Fergie did. It will be similar at Arsenal. The fans may want Wenger out but it will hit them hard when he goes and it may take them 3 to 5 years to get over his departure. Of course the Chosen one is on hand to mismanage the transition - should Arsenal be stupid enough...
 
nmc said:
We saw with Fergie at the Rags that over time - too much power, influence and knowledge was vested in one individual - when he left the club to some extent imploded - because no one dare challenge or understand what Fergie did. It will be similar at Arsenal. The fans may want Wenger out but it will hit them hard when he goes and it may take them 3 to 5 years to get over his departure. Of course the Chosen one is on hand to mismanage the transition - should Arsenal be stupid enough...
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The same thought occurred to me the other day. For them, the sooner they lance the Wenger boil, the better.
 
GunnerGer said:
Oh, i'm not slating them mate. I just found it amusing that a couple of months ago that we were the butt of the jokes while everyone else will just keep their players & automatically strengthen & we will be left behind as we are on a downward spiral. As Jazzman has said, you guys seem the only team that have significantly strengthened their weak positions. Mourinho is frustrated at Utd not doing the business he wants, Conte is frustrated at City, Klopp & Liverpool making real hard work of the VVD & Keita deals, can't tell me Poch is happy with what's going on at Spurs. Just think football fans in general need to remember real life football is not quite Football Manager.
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Spurs are a weird one, seem to have accidentally found themselves in a strong position and don't want to be there. Players are doing the business at the top end of table and now it's time to start paying them for doing it they run for the hills. Arsenal getting it worse because it's happened over 8-10 years.
 
JC2 said:
I know this is not an Arsenal forum but to continue the theme I cannot believe that they allow one man (Wenger) so much power and responsibility. He clearly is an extremely intelligent and capable guy and deserves the highest praise for his past achievements, but to me many of their current issues stem from the fact that he just hasn't or is unable to move with the times. He is spread to thinly!

These days Big clubs deploy several people to perform the roles that AW currently does himself. He appears to be their Director of Football, Chief Operating Officer and Team Coach all in one. Every season they appear to get players (that they want to keep) in the last year of their contracts which cannot help the stability of the football club.

They used to be known as the Bank of England club for the model way in which they were run, an example of strength and stability. From a distance IMO Arsenal are now run shambolically with too much being asked of an aging manager.

The current situation with Alexis must worry Arsenal fans, who are I find to be generally amongst the most knowledgeable. Deep down I suspect they all fear the player will go because that is the path they have continued tread for a number of years.

My money is on a transfer that is for certain.
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It's funny, as just a few posts before yours we were being told that Kronke will make the decision to sell Sanchez, & that Wenger is only a puppet.

As Arsenal fans, we always thought Wenger had a bit too much power, & neded people around to helphim, but to also challenge him more. We have Gazidas & Dick Law, but not much else. We have made steps to try & address some issues, Huss Fahmy from Team Sky has been hired to help with regards player contracts, & we have a new Director of Performance in Darren Burgess, so it looks like we are trying to share / dilute Wenger's workload / influence, Jens Lehmen brought in as new first team coach.

Ultimately, i would think you do want the manager to have the final say on most matters, otherwise you have players getting signed that he didn't want, players getting sold he wanted to keep etc (within reason of course). He just needs to be pushed more, & be held more accountable in my opinion.

slicky202 said:
Spurs are a weird one, seem to have accidentally found themselves in a strong position and don't want to be there. Players are doing the business at the top end of table and now it's time to start paying them for doing it they run for the hills. Arsenal getting it worse because it's happened over 8-10 years.
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Spurs are where we were before the stadium build. We had built a very good team, & were hoping the stadium build would push us on. The reality is that Chelsea & Man City got new owners that changed the landscape. We struggled to afford top new players, we stopped winning, our existing top players wanted to win, & get paid better while they were at it. Seemed a bit of a cycle for a good 10 years. We started to pay the squad a lot better as a way to try & keep players & build. Unfortunately, most never quite lived up to the hype, but are on good contracts, so we are struggling to shift them on. However, given the strength of the premiership now, we've never managed to get back to where we were pre stadium build.

In a way, the stadium build has came at the worst time for them. They are on the cusp, but can't really afford to push on. Their players are now highly rated, but they still don't pay the wages of the top clubs. They have never had a better season in decades, yet players soon have had their head turned. Already, some are away & want away. They now have to go into the new season playing at Wembley, so will struggle to match last years performance. The cycle is all too familiar to Arsenal fans.

Sorry to go so far off topic, these should probably be in the General Arsenal or Spurs threads.
 
GunnerGer said:
Apart from the 'injury', we are just going around in circles having the same discussion about who holds the cards, why Arsenal should sell, why Arsenal will defo sell etc! I dont think there's anything more to add which i haven't added already, the apparent injury doesn't change much because we are still guessing. Sure, it's suspicious, but he's not the only 1 carrying something, we could be without Ozil, Ramsey, Mustafi & Mertesacker as well who have fitness worries.

3 weeks left of the window, so we wont have too long to wait now. I'm having a sly chuckle now, as we've heard for the past 6 months how we'll lose our best player & everyone else will strengthen & we'll be left behind. Now it looks like Coutinho would like to leave Liverpool, it's obvious Conte didnt want to lose Matic, Spurs have lost Walker & perhaps Rose now, it's not as easy as folk think to keep the modern player happy it seems!
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With modern medicine scans etc can you actually fake injury, I'm not so sure , so perhaps he is genuinely injured and stays and plays . Is it really the case now that this is made up to allow the transfer and politics to play out , god knows.
I would love him at City for me he wins us the league , I can see why Arsenal are so desperate to keep the guy .

Good luck
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Only 22 more days of the endless speculation and then the football actually played becomes the focus.
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Not really the whole damn thing starts all over as the countdown to Jan 1 commences. Although I accept the intensity due to less trading is toned down. In some respects the old system was better and in some ways fairer.
 
Ric said:
Depends if they qualify for the Champions League next season.
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Seeing as how everyone else has strengthened or maintained their squads, I'd be surprised if they make Europa League. They can try to get into CL through EL, but depending on who doesn't make it out of the CL Group stage, that would still be a huge task
 
Ric said:
Depends if they qualify for the Champions League next season.
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I don't see how that makes it a good deal. They could sign a £150m player on a five year contract which would cost roughly half what it costs to keep Sanchez for a year. They could just as likely qualify for Champions' League with said player.
 
Sanchez will leave before the end of the window.

It's very telling that he missed the community shield then has an abdominal injury.

Arsenal won't keep an unhappy player. Probably trying to secure a replacement before admitting defeat in keeping Alexis at the club.
 
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