All Time Top 1100 Albums (Aerosmith - Big Ones) P265

liamctid said:
Dimebag was a huge Van Halen fan - he was buried with one of Eddie's guitars.

When Anselmo joined the band they went in a more aggressive direction. There's bits on Cowboys From Hell which are a nod to their past but by the early 90s glam rock was really dated.

Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer were the 3 biggest thrash metal bands of the mid-late 80's and they all had changed their sound with Metallica and Megadeth especially becoming a lot more commercial sounding. Pantera appealed to the purists I suppose, more aggressive than the way popular metal was going, a lot more groove to them too. I love both of these songs but compare "13 Steps To Nowhere" by Pantera to "Until It Sleeps" by Metallica both released in 1996 but sound completely different genres of music.
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Van Halen was great not just because EVH was a spectacular guitarist technically but because he knew how to write hooks and melody and he was smart enough to have DLR take the front man lead, and DLR was hilarious. They were also a great cover band. VH disappeared instantly as an important musical force when Hagar joined (the dictionary definition of a corporate stooge rock star) and the sense of humo(u)r went out the window. There are sound bands and song bands; Pantera is the former and VH the latter.

Pantera -- at least this record -- IMO offered few hooks, little melody and absolutely no humo(u)r at all. Neither band has anything important to tell us. This is my issue with metal generally. It exists to support brainless unarticulated testosterone-based rage. That's something, but it's an awfully narrow existence, and pretty cynical, which is why I'm suspicious that it's a grift, not art -- closer to Brittney Spears than Rage Against The Machine.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Van Halen was great not just because EVH was a spectacular guitarist technically but because he knew how to write hooks and melody and he was smart enough to have DLR take the front man lead, and DLR was hilarious. They were also a great cover band. VH disappeared instantly as an important musical force when Hagar joined (the dictionary definition of a corporate stooge rock star) and the sense of humo(u)r went out the window. There are sound bands and song bands; Pantera is the former and VH the latter.

Pantera -- at least this record -- IMO offered few hooks, little melody and absolutely no humo(u)r at all. Neither band has anything important to tell us. This is my issue with metal generally. It exists to support brainless unarticulated testosterone-based rage. That's something, but it's an awfully narrow existence, and pretty cynical, which is why I'm suspicious that it's a grift, not art -- closer to Brittney Spears than Rage Against The Machine.
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I don't think i've ever heard 'metal' in general given such a narrow description, given the frankly ridiculous variety within the genre.
 
feelymcfeel said:
I don't think i've ever heard 'metal' in general given such a narrow description, given the frankly ridiculous variety within the genre.
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Well, define the genre. Let's start with that. Who's in and who's out?

Rolling Stone's Top Ten Ever:

10. Tool · 9. Pantera · 8. Led Zeppelin · 7. Judas Priest · 6. Megadeth · 5. Slayer · 4. Iron Maiden · 3. Black Sabbath · 2. Dream Theater · 1. Metallica.

LZ isn't really metal IMO, and I am not familiar with Dream Theater. JP maybe had a sense of humo(u)r. Maybe. Ozzy's solo stuff maybe too; not Sabbath.

Listen I'd say the same about most prog too, but I'd describe prog as pretentious, and metal as cynical. And prog at its worst is fatuous and lugubrious, which are easier negative reactions to deal with than those one gets from metal which for some is simply physical pain at how it grates sonically (or, for me, boredom).

That said, I listened to plenty of prog, and I still love Rush, but I know what it is and I don't find find it nearly as compelling as a) I used to and b) many other genres.
 
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I had been dreading this moment.
I have made it to track 5.
It's not as horrendous as I thought it would be.
It is not to my taste in the slightest but I don't find it utterly reprehensible as I thought I might.
It is quite dreadful though.
1/10
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Literally every great hardcore punk band had either a message or humo(u)r or -- hopefully -- both. Not many considered-great metal bands I can think of has/had either.
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I've heard the odd track by Pantera and they're just depressing noise, a bit like my acute tinnitus is. But I don't have to suffer Pantera, fortunately.
 
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