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twosips said:
Bloody love Maffeo. That's all I have to say about it.
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If it had to be one player promoted to the senior squad for next year, I would just sell Sagna for few quids to a random Italian side (yes, Roma, I'm looking at you after you already snapped up Maicon), and put Maffeo right behind Zabaleta in the pecking order.

It's not like the older Pablo does ever get injured, so he would still play about 35 games a season, and give Maffeo the other 15-20, whilst play him in the EDS throughout the season. It would give us (and the coaches...) a chance to see how he succeeds at the highest level, but if he somehow fails, it shouldn't cause any big harm (neither to the team, nor to him I suppose).

Not that it's gonna happen, mind you.
 
Hungarian blue said:
twosips said:
Bloody love Maffeo. That's all I have to say about it.
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If it had to be one player promoted to the senior squad for next year, I would just sell Sagna for few quids to a random Italian side (yes, Roma, I'm looking at you after you already snapped up Maicon), and put Maffeo right behind Zabaleta in the pecking order.

It's not like the older Pablo does ever get injured, so he would still play about 35 games a season, and give Maffeo the other 15-20, whilst play him in the EDS throughout the season. It would give us (and the coaches...) a chance to see how he succeeds at the highest level, but if he somehow fails, it shouldn't cause any big harm (neither to the team, nor to him I suppose).

Not that it's gonna happen, mind you.
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I'd keep Sagna but essentially relegate him to third choice giving maffeo the opportunity to play a few matches. If Sagna gets pissy he's on the last year of his contract, fuck it. Worth it in my mind.

Back to Angelino, has any heard any rumours regarding a loan?
 
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Hungarian blue said:
twosips said:
Bloody love Maffeo. That's all I have to say about it.
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If it had to be one player promoted to the senior squad for next year, I would just sell Sagna for few quids to a random Italian side (yes, Roma, I'm looking at you after you already snapped up Maicon), and put Maffeo right behind Zabaleta in the pecking order.

It's not like the older Pablo does ever get injured, so he would still play about 35 games a season, and give Maffeo the other 15-20, whilst play him in the EDS throughout the season. It would give us (and the coaches...) a chance to see how he succeeds at the highest level, but if he somehow fails, it shouldn't cause any big harm (neither to the team, nor to him I suppose).

Not that it's gonna happen, mind you.
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I'd keep Sagna but essentially relegate him to third choice giving maffeo the opportunity to play a few matches. If Sagna gets pissy he's on the last year of his contract, fuck it. Worth it in my mind.

Back to Angelino, has any heard any rumours regarding a loan?
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I don't really think we need a 3rd choice right back. We could always sell Sagna if we're giving Maffeo a shot for a small fee plus getting his wages off the book.
As for a loan for Angelino I suspect they may want to finish the season first and then get Summer over?
 
Maffeo couldn't have done absolutely anything more to deserve a chance in the first team. He was thrown in at CB against players much older for the u21s, despite being a 5'8 right back recently turned 18, and he's excelled even though logic suggests he has absolutely no right to. And he's still even then often the player who leads the team. He plays like Cannavaro when he's there, composed, confident and with an understanding of the art of defending that is to be quite frank, a little ridiculous for someone of his age and inexperience. He's mastered the art of tackling and he seems to somehow win headers against people 5 inches taller than him. Just impeccable timing. The team even notably improves when he comes on, there's a visible lift in confidence.

When he plays RB he doesn't let up. He isn't properly 'fast' but positions himself perfectly and uses his body weight like a seasoned pro to more or less always beat his opposing player to the ball. He attacks well too - arguably more 'skilful' than Zaba. I'd fancy him to beat a man more so than Zaba would if he tried, put it that way. He's technically excellent and very very composed, he can cross (see the Youth Cup Final) and he can drive forward and overlap. And he still maintains his leadership traits while at right back.

Basically, he's fucking great. He handles pressure, he can pass, he can tackle, he's strong despite his size and he's versatile and incredibly hard-working. There is NOTHING he could have done more this
season to earn a go. We have many players in our academy that have the
same level of excellent technical ability, but he's probably miles ahead of the vast majority of them in terms of maturity. The first team wouldn't faze him and i'd have him second choice to Zaba in a heart-beat. Angelino is very good, but with defensive frailties still, Barker has great potential but he's a winger so would take to adapt, Bryan is as strong as an ox at times and Gunn could be England's number one in the future but as it stands I think Maffeo is much more well-rounded than any of them. He's basically there already in my opinion. He's that good.

Him, Denayer, Iheanacho and Lopes would be first team players for me next year. Then any of Gunn, Boadu, Ambrose Angelino, Barker, Bryan etc given the odd game to blood them.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Angelino and Maffeo are but a whisker away from moving up.
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twosips is right
Maffeo is the 'man'

Angelino still needs to learn how to defend, although he is a tremendous talent and more able than Maffeo he doesn't yet have an all round game
 
Interesting that Simon Davies says "there is talent in the academy, but they are not yet consistent enough yet."

I think his emphasis is very much on the consistency bit to explain why they are not ready for the first team yet. Undoubtedly true as well that any young lad of 18 cannot be expected to get it right every game if they did step up. They will have good games and maybe bad ones but that's what to expect from a young lad just starting.

But please let's start to get some of them properly involved with the first team.
 
How 'consistent' do you have to be to get 10 minutes off the bench when we are 5-0 up?

Yes maybe these players aren't consistent enough to play a string of first team games, but neither are they good enough to do that, until they have proved themselves out on loan. Lopes and Denayer have proved they could make a good go of it if they got a run of games.

But I'm not buying this consistency argument, that's a poor excuse for giving none of the EDS any first team football.
 
I'm with you ^ Seems like an excuse.

Our first team isn't anymore consistent they most of the kids are at the moment.
 
You can make a case for every first team game being "must win". People on here even said that about QPR the other day.
Sooner or later we have to have faith in the younger players and take them out when they tire or lose form. Baconface was a master of that and it mostly served him very well.
An Italian system of more subs if they are home grown would be very welcome so we could hedge our bets.
 
Deepest Blue said:
You can make a case for every first team game being "must win". People on here even said that about QPR the other day.
Sooner or later we have to have faith in the younger players and take them out when they tire or lose form. Baconface was a master of that and it mostly served him very well.
An Italian system of more subs if they are home grown would be very welcome so we could hedge our bets.
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100% agree. Imagine a rule where someone could bring a 4th on providing they were HG and u21 or sumat? That'd be great.
 
twosips said:
Deepest Blue said:
You can make a case for every first team game being "must win". People on here even said that about QPR the other day.
Sooner or later we have to have faith in the younger players and take them out when they tire or lose form. Baconface was a master of that and it mostly served him very well.
An Italian system of more subs if they are home grown would be very welcome so we could hedge our bets.
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100% agree. Imagine a rule where someone could bring a 4th on providing they were HG and u21 or sumat? That'd be great.
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Doesn't even need to be that revolutionary, if you increase the number on the bench to 11/12 but say 5 of them have to be u21 then the opportunity to give them game time goes up hugely.
 
Until this lad learns defensive positioning he will not make it at the very highest level, i.e. Champions League.

The other aspects of his game are top class, in particularly going forward.
 
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BigOscar said:
Hard to see why Angelino and Maffeo can't replace Kolarov and Sagna as backup fullbacks for next season. Almost like for like tbh, as Maffeo is defensively solid like Sagna, while Angelino is an attacking upgrade like Kolarov is at least supposed to be. (in theory)
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Would love to see this happen but in reality Kolarov will probably leave and be replace by another 20 odd million pound signing. Contrary to what Khaldoon says during his end of seasons interviews the club seems very reluctant to give youth a chace
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you lot are living in a dream world, if you think two kids can coming waltzing straight into a hopefully title contending club from the depth of the eds. ffs they havent been playing against costa or hazard types, they`ve been playing against young players like themselves, young kids with little experience, and playing a level of football that hardly has any physicality
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As much as I'd like to see them in and around the 1st eleven the above is spot on, there's a world of difference between playing youth football and the Premier league let alone Champions League. Give them time & we may get a few gems
 
sam-caddick said:
Until this lad learns defensive positioning he will not make it at the very highest level, i.e. Champions League.

The other aspects of his game are top class, in particularly going forward.
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I agree with that, but I look at the top full backs and wonder if their positioning was any better than Angelino's at 17?

The likes of Dani Alves, Jordi Alba, Danilo, Marcelo - their defensive positioning probably wasn't much better at 17.

It's definitely an area Angelino needs to work on and I'm sure he will.

Convinced this lad will be one of the best LBs in the country in a few years.
 
City_Sean said:
I wouldn't even mind that, but as it's already been suggested, his defensive positioning and work really does need refining if he's going to make it.
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I wouldn't worry about that, that comes with age and experience. A lot of the best fullbacks in the world didn't even start playing fullback untill their 20's, so he's already ahead of the game on that front. Any first team experience would be good for him at the moment, so if NY would give him games then it'd be a good first step in senior football.
 
I think this is a good first step for Angelino. Facey's doing very well out there so I can only imagine what Angelino could do.
 
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