Another gun massacre in the States (merged)

[ChicagoBlue]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

I live in the NW suburbs of Chicago......

More Chicago residents -- 228 -- have been killed so far this year in the city than the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan - 144 -- over the same period.

The war zone-like statistics are not new. As WBEZ reports, while some 2,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gun fire in Chicago during that time, based on Department of Defense and FBI data.*

Chicago's murder rate is also currently quadruple that of New York and double Los Angeles' rate. Gun violence Friday evening into Saturday took the lives of at least one person -- Antonio Buck, of the 5400 block of South Aberdeen -- and wounded at least seven others, including a 16-year-old boy shot in the lower back around 11 p.m. Friday.

This weekend, with the combination of balmy weather and a number of crowd-drawing outdoor events including the Puerto Rican Festival in Humboldt Park, another surge of violence is feared.

Heading into the weekend, many Chicago police prepared to take part in a new initiative allowing them to receive overtime pay for working on their days off. A "high deployment" of officers will also be assigned to the city's downtown area to curb additional "mob-style" attacks.

The previous weekend, at least eight were killed, including a 16-year-old boy, and 46 wounded by gun violence in Chicago. Monday evening into Tuesday, seven more people were shot, two of them fatally. The city's homicide rate is up more than 50 percent over last year.

Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy commented at a Tuesday event that the city was dealing with a "perception problem" when it comes to its homicide and shooting rates, noting that statistics in those two areas have actually improved in recent weeks, the Chicago Tribune reports.

"I don't know how to overcome it, except to keep communicating the facts," McCarthy said. "And that's what we're going to continue to do."

The city has repeatedly said "fracturing" street gangs are responsible for the bulk of the recent gun violence. The city has deployed specialized undercover officers to units on the city's West and South Sides**, as well as saturating area neighborhoods with uniformed cops.

*GUNS WERE NOT LEGAL IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO DURING THIS TIME PERIOD. THAT ONLY RECENTLY CHANGED DUE TO A COURT CASE, WHICH OVERTURNED THE CITY ORDINANCE ON SECOND AMENDMENT GROUNDS!

ILLINOIS (WHERE CHICAGO IS LOCATED!) IS THE ONLY STATE IN THE USA THAT DOES NOT ALLOW "CONCEALED CARRY" WITH A PERMIT. THE OFT CITED REASON IS THE GUN VIOLENCE IN CHICAGO!

**Chicago does not even have an East side, because that is Lake Michigan!

THIS is America:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFfqNCblmxo[/youtube]

She looks thrilled, doesn't she? You can almost hear her saying,

"Please, Daddy, could you just love me for being your little girl who likes dolls and ponies?"

Or maybe you would prefer a 3 yr old (YES, THREE YEAR OLD FIRING AN ASSAULT WEAPON!) shooting an AR-15, which is the semi-automatic rifle used in Aurora?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGkRKT0Q-L4[/youtube]

The bumper stickers say "Freedom is not free."

Yesterday, it cost 12 people at a movie their lives, due to a deranged 24 year old with an internet connection and a Bass Pro Shop in the neighborhood. BTW, I KNOW these places in Aurora, as United Airlines Flight Training Center is in that town!!!

 

[TFC]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

He might be joking, but I cant argue with the logic!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw[/youtube]

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

The voice of bullets, when you could even find them, went through the roof when Obama was elected, as did gun sales! People were spreading lies about him restricting their weapons and putting taxes or restrictions on bullets. I have a .40 cal and the bullets almost doubled in price overnight, IF you could get them! Two days ago they were back down to about 20p each for the cheapest ones, but it would not surprise me one bit if gun AND bullet sales went through the roof this weekend!

If you don't live here, you simply cannot understand the mentality of SOME people.

Do you guys get the show "Doomsday Preppers" yet? This is one mainly about food....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78AOX3nVsJA[/youtube]

....but check out the ones where they talk about weapons!

 

[ElanJo]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

The whole 'gun for protection' idea has one tiny flaw.

It's bollocks.

A gun is dangerous in a way that nothing else you can own is dangerous. Unless you love fatal accidents, you keep it locked up, in a safe place, unloaded. Unless the burglar calls ahead, there is no way you will ever be in a deathwish stance confronting the baddie with your loaded weapon. It's a stupid cowboy fantasy that keeps on costing innocent lives.

Talk about living in a fantasy world!

It's one thing to argue the case than the cons outway the pros but to make the claim that you have is quite pathetic. A complete denial of reality. Untold amounts of people have protected themselves and others without any accidents and whilst maintaining safe storage standards.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

The whole 'gun for protection' idea has one tiny flaw.

It's bollocks.

A gun is dangerous in a way that nothing else you can own is dangerous. Unless you love fatal accidents, you keep it locked up, in a safe place, unloaded. Unless the burglar calls ahead, there is no way you will ever be in a deathwish stance confronting the baddie with your loaded weapon. It's a stupid cowboy fantasy that keeps on costing innocent lives.

Talk about living in a fantasy world!

It's one thing to argue the case than the cons outway the pros but to make the claim that you have is quite pathetic. A complete denial of reality. Untold amounts of people have protected themselves and others without any accidents and whilst maintaining safe storage standards.

And untold accidents have occurred.

 

[ElanJo]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

The whole 'gun for protection' idea has one tiny flaw.

It's bollocks.

A gun is dangerous in a way that nothing else you can own is dangerous. Unless you love fatal accidents, you keep it locked up, in a safe place, unloaded. Unless the burglar calls ahead, there is no way you will ever be in a deathwish stance confronting the baddie with your loaded weapon. It's a stupid cowboy fantasy that keeps on costing innocent lives.

Talk about living in a fantasy world!

It's one thing to argue the case than the cons outway the pros but to make the claim that you have is quite pathetic. A complete denial of reality. Untold amounts of people have protected themselves and others without any accidents and whilst maintaining safe storage standards.

And untold accidents have occurred.

Sure, and that fact should be considered when weighing the pros & cons.

Well done.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Talk about living in a fantasy world!

It's one thing to argue the case than the cons outway the pros but to make the claim that you have is quite pathetic. A complete denial of reality. Untold amounts of people have protected themselves and others without any accidents and whilst maintaining safe storage standards.

And untold accidents have occurred.

Sure, and that fact should be considered when weighing the pros & cons.

Well done.

Many thanks. I just wish we had a right buy functioning tanks. I'd be ever so safe then.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

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Guns don't kill people. People do. As someone mentioned Canada has similar laws and I wish we did too, I'd certainly feel safer if I had one.

I'm sorry you'd feel safer?! Yeah I'd feel real safe if i had a disagreement with someone or an argument with a family member and in the heat of the moment they pull a gun on me
and shot me. People are very emotional creatures and you don't want to give them easy access to something that can kill you in a second.

I think we are very fortunate and quite correct not to have this gun culture in this country. Villains, burglars, people who rob petrol stations or corner shop tills, even shoplifters, all commit their crimes largely unarmed. I say largely, there are always exceptions. But, think about it. If the common or garden house burglar who comes in the open kitchen window thought it likely that an occupant who disturbed him would have a gun waiting, they would likely bring one with them. If a shoplifter thought the g4s security fuckwit on the door had a gun, he would too. Braindead Jeremy Kyle viewing types who sort out a pointless irrelevant feud by having a punch up in the street in their dressing gowns after 4 morning cans of special brew will end up taking shots at eachother with untold consequences for the decent people who live there. Even the facts that coppers in this country are not routinely armed is beneficial for the same reason, it makes armed crimes more serious and thankfully much rarer.

 

[ElanJo]

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And untold accidents have occurred.

Sure, and that fact should be considered when weighing the pros & cons.

Well done.

Many thanks. I just wish we had a right buy functioning tanks. I'd be ever so safe then.

Why would you stop at a tank when reducing an argument to absurdity? Any self-respecting absurdinator would bring up nuclear warheads...

I feel cheated.

 

[mammutly]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

The whole 'gun for protection' idea has one tiny flaw.

It's bollocks.

A gun is dangerous in a way that nothing else you can own is dangerous. Unless you love fatal accidents, you keep it locked up, in a safe place, unloaded. Unless the burglar calls ahead, there is no way you will ever be in a deathwish stance confronting the baddie with your loaded weapon. It's a stupid cowboy fantasy that keeps on costing innocent lives.

Talk about living in a fantasy world!

It's one thing to argue the case than the cons outway the pros but to make the claim that you have is quite pathetic. A complete denial of reality. Untold amounts of people have protected themselves and others without any accidents and whilst maintaining safe storage standards.

Would you care to offer some examples of a member of the public having successfully defended themselves from an intruder by using a gun?