Another gun massacre in the States (merged)

[stonerblue]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

When you can buy fully automatic assault rifles easier than beer then there will always be some disgruntled idiot ready to vent his/her spleen by commiting mass murder.
In the UK they are more likely to kick the door of the job centre in or spray cow shit all over the place to get their revenge.

One interesting theory on the frequency of this type of crime is the idea that the more they kill the more famous, or infamous, they become. Everyone wants to be 'top of the league'.

 

[ElanJo]

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I will, but only cos it happened not too long ago and I remember it being reported. Fully justified IMO.

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She's obviously a gun-toting maniac deserving of a long prison sentence.

The sheer ignorance of Mammutly's post (which I missed) is breathtaking.
Sure, the massacres get far more screentime and column inches than people protecting themselves and others but that's no excuse. Anyone who ventures into the discussion (esp. with such strong views) over guns and gun laws should have at least done 10 seconds of research. I mean ffs it's a complete fecking joke!

edit:
TBH it shouldn't even take any research to know that guns have protected people. Common sense (an overrated virtue most of the time, imo) is enough. And, yes, common sense is also enough to know that guns will be used to murder people.

If you have guns in the house, especially hand guns, there are always going to be tragic accidents and many deaths and injuries occur across the US every year that just wouldn't have happened without the ready availability of such weapons.

There may, very exceptionally, be occasiions when an individual has successfully used a gun for protection, but overall the evidence hardly needs analysis. In countries where public ownership of guns for 'personal protection' has been banned, the murder rate has dropped massively. Australia might be the easiest example, but there are others that are not hard to find - even with the most basic amount of research ;-)

I'd like to see your statistical analysis for Australia murder rates because from what I am aware of there was no statistically significant drop as a result of the banning in the mid 90's.
IIRC, things like robbery and GBH rose as a result.

Considering the amount of guns in circulation in the US, the homicide rates are quite low, esp. when you consider the horrendous problems in Mexico and Columbia which spill over. What you'll find is that crime in the US is exasperated by drug prohibition. Researchers and economists have estimated that the majority of homicides would disappear if the US government ended this foolish drug policy.

As for the bold part, you should probably do some analysis at least.

 

[Dubai Blue]

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When you can buy fully automatic assault rifles easier than beer then there will always be some disgruntled idiot ready to vent his/her spleen by commiting mass murder.

Fully agreed.

I find it insane that ANYONE is legally allowed to own a weapon like this:

What possible justification can the pro-gun lobby give for people being allowed to own something that has been specifically designed to kill large numbers of people in as little time as possible? Even the most rabid pro-gun fanatic must surely see that such weapons go way beyond their constitutional right to bear arms.

 

[Skashion]

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Are civilians allowed the grenade launcher version?

 

[Dubai Blue]

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Are civilians allowed the grenade launcher version?

I should have notice that really!

Not sure they're allowed that version, so consider this one instead:

 

[Challenger1978]

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Are civilians allowed the grenade launcher version?

Maybe its a flare gun or launches smoke grenades, i dont know.<br /><br />-- Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:30 am --<br /><br />

Are civilians allowed the grenade launcher version?

I should have notice that really!

Not sure they're allowed that version, so consider this one instead:

Isn't that semi automatic ?

 

[Dubai Blue]

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He was using at least a semi-automatic version, wasn't he?

Chief Oates (Chief of Aurora police department) said he did not know whether the rifle was fully automatic or sem-automatic but “even if it was semi-automatic, I’m told by experts that with that drum magazine, he could’ve gotten off 50 to 60 rounds … within one minute.”

 

[Skashion]

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Apparently they are allowed but getting hold of ammo is very difficult as it 'exceedingly rare' in the civilian market, has to be federally registered and kept in accordance with regulations on high explosives, but yes, Americans are allowed to have assault rifles with the M203 attachment, and can purchase 40mm high-explosive rounds if they can find some, afford it and store it safely.

 

[shackattack]

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they should only be allowed to buy a johnny 7 solve all their problems !!
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[SWP's back]

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Are civilians allowed the grenade launcher version?

No reason why they shouldnt

Just read your post saying they can, super.