Another new Brexit thread

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BobKowalski said:
Bong, bong.

After saying a fond, if reluctant, farewell to my extended Christmas and New Years break I return to find an almighty hoo-hah about Brexit bongs whilst the EU publish details on NI protocals in Belfast detailing that UK authorities are to implement EU rules on GB imports and carry out necessary checks and that this will be done under ECJ jurisdiction and EU reps have the right to be present and direct UK authorities to make these checks.

So whilst the EU make themselves at home (just don’t put your feet on the furniture lads) we get all dreamy over a bong.

Still, good to see we are focusing on the stuff that matters :)
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Good to see you back posting again mate even if its bollocks ;-)
 
dave_blue12 said:
I don't give a flying fuck about a bent referendum result or a Tory Brexit Government or your advice.

Brexit was and is an act of idiotic self harm promoted by foreign agents with the help of helpful fools in this country. I will continue to point out such idiocy as and when I please and I really don't give a shit if you or anyone else find it unhelpful

For the record I find many of your posts to be childish oversimplifications but hey ho live and let live eh.

Oh and to the usual suspects who I feel sure will be itching to respond, don't bother as I rarely read your idiotic responses.
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But you do read them......and respond......and round and round we go..........
 
I think most remainers have accepted the Brexit referendum result
And I think most people have accepted it’s been a complete waste of time.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
I'm pretty sure a lot of what happened may well have happened in some form either way.
But I'm equally sure that the British manufacturing base was sacrificed by successive govts at the altar of "European cooperation"

We gave up our manufacturing prowess - which despite attempts to paint otherwise was the best in the western world for over a century - and Germany got it. In return we got squillions of pounds worth of "services" work, the vast majority of which was based in or around London and the south east.
France got agriculture etc etc.

Would a British govt have given up our shipbuilding,car making, coal mining, and heavy industry so easily without the EU? We'll never know for sure of course but how many times do you hear the phrase "we never make stuff anymore". They'll tell you it is because the British working class priced themselves out of the "new, emerging markets" but that's frankly bollocks as Germany , which still has a huge manufacturing base, pays much higher wages and costs on business but is a world leader. It's why they fixed the euro at the expense of southern Europe to help German manufacturing.

Thank god Gordon brown hated Tony Blair enough to block our accepting the euro or we would never have been able to leave.
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Incorrect ....... Germany won the manufacturing 'war' because of the same reasons Japan did. Their industry and infrastructure was decimated and was rebuilt following their surrender (financed mainly by the Americans) West Germany (note the difference in development between East and West ) was financed under the European Recovery Plan (America provided $ credits to the tune of $17 billion). The difference was here in the UK we used the Marshall plan money (as it became known) to reduce state debt ...in Germany the money was used entirely for reconstruction.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I think most remainers have accepted the Brexit referendum result
And I think most people have accepted it’s been a complete waste of time.
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@dave_blue12 hasn’t. He’s still trying to tell us people wish to remain after 3.5 years of the public voting completely differently.

I’m a remainer that’s accepted it but some definitely haven’t.
 
Vic said:
Helpful or not, it's true. https://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmg-independent-poll-gap-between-leave-and-remain-narrows-2-2/ It's still not the will of the people (poll taken last week).

How have you got on looking for positive things it might bring?

I think we've yet to hear from anyone as to how Brexit will help them personally, but there are millions who will be adversely affected. And I know you don't care, but Remainers are, and always will be, the winners of the arguments. Pity about the war.

No Corbyn, No Brexit. You all know that to be true.
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Even if the figures did suggest that many wanted to remain, you still can't dispute that we are predominately a eurosceptic country.

I voted remain purely because I didn't think we'd do as well, I'd leave though if we could avoid any pain and the trend obviously will be that at least 'some' remainers would too.

The 48% that voted remain aren't all out marching on the streets for remain I can tell you that. If they were and that figure outweighed the 52% then we'd be remaining but we aren't. Leave has won every single decisive election on the matter since the 2015 GE.

The rest of remainers couldn't care less because it's happening and we all need to move on. What is left is isolationist Lib Dems and Labour Twitter warriors, the kind who spouted about a Labour victory last month which quickly turned into ash.

It's gone and the sooner we all accept that it is happening, the sooner we can start arguing instead for what's best for the country afterwards.
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
Of course Remainers are entitled to their views but personally I don't bother reading them any more as the fact is we are leaving the EU.

In just over two weeks we won't be a member and at the end of this year we will either have agreed a deal with the EU or we will (initially) trade on WTO terms. We can then see how it all pans out in the coming years and at some point there will be an election in which people can vote for whatever party they wish to.
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Control... so near and yet....

(I was a remain supporter and I haven't let it go yet so, as brief as this comment is and as entitled to my view as I am, I realise this post is not for you :-)
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
Of course Remainers are entitled to their views but personally I don't bother reading them any more as the fact is we are leaving the EU.

In just over two weeks we won't be a member and at the end of this year we will either have agreed a deal with the EU or we will (initially) trade on WTO terms. We can then see how it all pans out in the coming years and at some point there will be an election in which people can vote for whatever party they wish to.
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Let me correct that for you.....

In two weeks we leave the Eu.... with no MEP's in the Eu Parliament & become a vassal state for a year, no say in laws proposed or passed, blue passports printed by the Polish, our fishing fleets monitored by the French , our railways run by foreign governments. Trading our goods (Not services because the WTO doesn't cover services which are the UKs largest export) solely on WTO rules (the only country in the world to do so) . Trying to do trade deals with the rest of the world.

taking back control?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Let me correct that for you.....

In two weeks we leave the Eu.... with no MEP's in the Eu Parliament & become a vassal state for a year, no say in laws proposed or passed, blue passports printed by the Polish, our fishing fleets monitored by the French , our railways run by foreign governments. Trading our goods (Not services because the WTO doesn't cover services which are the UKs largest export) solely on WTO rules (the only country in the world to do so) . Trying to do trade deals with the rest of the world.

taking back control?
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so the point you are making is we should have just left with no deal and no transition period ?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Let me correct that for you.....

In two weeks we leave the Eu.... with no MEP's in the Eu Parliament & become a vassal state for a year, no say in laws proposed or passed, blue passports printed by the Polish, our fishing fleets monitored by the French , our railways run by foreign governments. Trading our goods (Not services because the WTO doesn't cover services which are the UKs largest export) solely on WTO rules (the only country in the world to do so) . Trying to do trade deals with the rest of the world.

taking back control?
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What is this obsession some of you have with taking back 'control' and aversion to foreigners? We are only leaving the political construct of the EU, not leaving Europe or declaring war on our European friends.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
What is this obsession some of you have with taking back 'control' and aversion to foreigners? We are only leaving the political construct of the EU, not leaving Europe or declaring war on our European friends.
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Indoctrination will do that to a person. It's sad to see. Some of them are so far gone they have joined the ranks of United fans' mentality in that respect; "The EU Way".
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I think most remainers have accepted the Brexit referendum result
And I think most people have accepted it’s been a complete waste of time.
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I'd go along with this. From a personal perspective, completely accept it's happening but the fact we're going ahead with it doesn't mean it's a good idea or I agree with it, and I'll share what I think as and when. Fully expect people to campaign and protest for re-entry too. And why shouldn't they. That **** Farage banged on about it for long enough - just cos he's finally got his way, doesn't mean it stops being an issue and I find it strange that leavers (not all of course) trot out the "you lost / get over it / lets talk about something else" tropes given how passionately some of them campaigned to leave.
 
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