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What should be becoming clear to any Leaver is the whoppers that they bought.

As part of the EU trading with the EU and now in a deal with Japan we had unfettered access to nearly one third of the worlds GDP. Now we don't We won't either because the EU 27 cannot give us any breaks, any deal that betters the one they have between themselves. Thats their treaty so as a result despite what was claimed in the referendum we will not have the same or better trading arrangements with the EU. The EU-Japan deal is written in a way that neither can offer anything better than they have agreed with any third party country - so we aren't doing a deal thats better than the EU's with Japan - nor any time soon despite what Johnson says.

The sooner Leave stops wrapping themselves in the Union flag and claiming anyone not toe-ing their line is not being patriotic and instead understood the difficulties facing us the better - it may well be some of them get a little bitter when they realise things are not going to be what they thought but sometimes the truth hurts.

Oh on the contrary what’s become clear to leavers and many who voted remain is how the “experts “ predictions on the remain side have failed to materialise but feel free to list all the predictions which have come true , which used to be posted on here every day.
 
That all depends on your determination of "better". Can we get a trade deal with Japan/other nations that makes items more affordable and benefits our economies? Yes.

No. We went back on our word and commitment with Japan and that will impact on our dealings with them. Japanese investment, firms and people have declined in the last two years and increased in the rest of the EU. That will likely be the trend for the next decade.

As for making items more affordable I suspect our latest strategy of looking to impose high tariffs on goods may prove problematic. Also no idea how leaving a trading bloc with no internal tariffs makes anything more affordable or how imposing trade barriers on good and services benefits any economy. Negative tariffs perhaps?
 
He keeps fighting the economic argument, which most leavers have already accepted there is work to be done. but not one that is impossible to overcome and have accepted it will take time but the benefits of leaving outweigh our intentions of voting the way we did as we voted for another purpose.

He's completely ignored the other arguments about the politisation of Europe, federalisation of Europe, authoritarianism of Europe as he dismisses them as pure fantasy and nonsense.
This is why he will never understand or accept the leave decision.

This is true and it’s what will continue to divide us. I just don’t believe the EU superstate scare stories and actually liked my/our identity as an EU nation, and can’t see how the EU was negatively impacting our lives, and never will. Will obviously have to see how it goes but if it’s 50 years before we see any benefit (was that Rees Mogg?) be interesting to see if there is a clamour to go back in
 
I find it impossible to believe that anyone would argue the EU wasn't on the road to being a united superstate when it has its own parliament, anthem, defence policies etc etc.

Its a trading bloc!

Had it focused on that my guess is remain would have wont by an absolute landslide if we had even demanded we be asked yet it couldn't, it had to go along with the dreams of the federalist ruling elite that controls its halls of power.


If it stayed only as a trading block then there would've been no mention of a referendum ever
 
This is true and it’s what will continue to divide us. I just don’t believe the EU superstate scare stories and actually liked my/our identity as an EU nation, and can’t see how the EU was negatively impacting our lives, and never will. Will obviously have to see how it goes but if it’s 50 years before we see any benefit (was that Rees Mogg?) be interesting to see if there is a clamour to go back in
And many of us didn't yet it was being forced down our throats, mostly by our fellow citizens.

I said at the beginning of the referendum that it would mostly come down to the fact some people like us being "European" and others did not. There's no shame in liking either, but remainers made it clear that not wanting to be "european" was "racist" and it really pissed people off.
 
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