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No. We have asked for something much more than Canada especially with regard to services and security. The Govt tells you it’s like Canada and then publish the details which are nothing like Canada.

You should read the details and stop listening to Govt propaganda. The Govt tells you they are driving to Barnard Castle to test out their eyesight. The reality is that it was a birthday jaunt for the wife.
Ffs, you lot are obsessed with Cummings.
You'd be better off getting upset with whoever came up with labours brexit policy last year - that's why your future is now in the hands of Boris and Cummings.
 
No. We have asked for something much more than Canada especially with regard to services and security. The Govt tells you it’s like Canada and then publish the details which are nothing like Canada.

You should read the details and stop listening to Govt propaganda. The Govt tells you they are driving to Barnard Castle to test out their eyesight. The reality is that it was a birthday jaunt for the wife.
What was published was at the end of various rounds of negotiation. Not the initial proposition. But hey everyone can have their own opinion on that.
The bottom line is the UK and EU remain sovereign even though the EU seem to be insisting this is not the case.
 
Support for a No Deal type scenario has very little public support. How can Johnson spin this when the reality of no deal hits home. 22% support is the starting point and I would suggest that it will drop away once the reality hits - especially the idea that you would do this amid a pandemic instead of agreeing an extension. If Johnson does this then every negative impact will be seen in the light of the fact that Johnson rejected any prospect of an extension in favour of the deadline he alone set.


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Does it matter - pandemic or not the jobs are going now so anything post No Deal can be apportioned accordingly depending on the reasons the sacking employer gives - Leavers own it all.
 
It looks like the only credible options are no deal which is so bad then we should revoke/remain or just revoke / remain? It's really clear when it's put like that. We could do with getting rid of the current govt (starting with BJ and Cummings) so we can get Starmer in to explain the logic of this to the population.

I think Starmer is doing the right thing - let Johnson and his cabal do their damage and then offer a way out - the way out will depend on whats available to us then
 
Does it matter - pandemic or not the jobs are going now so anything post No Deal can be apportioned accordingly depending on the reasons the sacking employer gives - Leavers own it all.
Unfortunately unless there is some utopian corner of England called remain I think you'll find we all end up owning brexit.
 
Unfortunately unless there is some utopian corner of England called remain I think you'll find we all end up owning brexit.

Nope mate - we will all feel the damage and we will know whom to blame - sadly for Leave some of its chief supporters like Farage and Stanley Johnson plan to move to France once its done and dusted - they aren't stupid. Anyway wherever Stanley is I bet our PM ends up hiding in the fridge in the annexe before too long.
 
More on the fisheries deal. Source RTE. Abridged. TL;DR Barnier would move on fish in a heartbeat, but member states want a harder line.

My understanding is that EU fish ministers will bluntly tell Mr Barnier that he must stick to the mandate which member states gave him at the outset, namely that EU vessels should continue to enjoy the same access to UK waters as they did under the Common Fisheries Policy. As a reminder, the EU's negotiating mandate says the final deal should “build on existing reciprocal access conditions, [and] quota shares…” and that there should be “continued reciprocal access, for all relevant species, by [European] Union and United Kingdom vessels…”

On May 15, Barnier told a news conference there had been some movement on fisheries. Zonal Attachment was
"one element" in a possible solution, he said, but not the "only element". Some saw this as a signal the EU was going to compromise on the issue. Zonal Attachment is devilishly complicated, but it basically means using deeper data to work out where fish species live, breed, spawn etc. Essentially, the UK believes that that methodology would rightfully restore much more quota to UK vessels in British waters.

Some member states regard this as a "quota grab" dressed up as science. Zonal Attachment, says one source, is at play in the EU's ongoing discussions with independent coastal states (which the UK will become) over mackerel, but it is taking years. Furthermore, says the source, the science isn't there to provide the kind of data the UK is referring to, and that in any case, the EU and UK share over 100 stocks. So if it has taken years for mackerel, then imagine how long it will take for an entire fishing deal.

It's understood that in the interim between Barnier's tentative offer on May 15, the mood among member states has hardened, not least because of David Frost's letter of May 19, seen by many has combative. It's worth remembering that EU member states largely accepted the draft negotiating mandate drawn up by the European Commission in January. However, they made the language on fisheries tougher - something I'm told they will remind the EU's chief negotiator this afternoon.

Adding to the pressure, the European Parliament Fisheries Committee has adopted a resolution "no comprehensive agreement can be concluded between the EU and the UK if it does not include a complete, balanced and long-term fisheries agreement "allowing the continuation under optimal conditions of access to waters, resources and markets of the parties concerned"
Excellent!!!!

What a relief!!!

Interesting how things turn out. People claim Johnson was stupid placing into legislation that there will be no extension beyond December - it turns out to be a masterstroke - afterall it is all the Remainers running around bleating whilst Johnson and those committed to Brexit cam observe the clock

Everyone states that Barnier had pulled a masterstroke by having the negotiating mandate 'hard-wired' into EU27 sign-off - and now he is finding himself boxed in and not able to effectively act in the role of 'chief negotiator' because of the cumbersome governance arrangements.

I would bet Barnier will be in communication about the negotiating mandate up his chain before Johnson is bringing forward legislation to the house

Funny old world, - I am minded to observe:

"We will not see movement from the EU...…."

;-)
 
Nope mate - we will all feel the damage and we will know whom to blame - sadly for Leave some of its chief supporters like Farage and Stanley Johnson plan to move to France once its done and dusted - they aren't stupid. Anyway wherever Stanley is I bet our PM ends up hiding in the fridge in the annexe before too long.
He's only meant to be here for a short time. No way are the Tories going to the country in 2024 with BJ at the helm.
 
Excellent!!!!

What a relief!!!

Interesting how things turn out. People claim Johnson was stupid placing into legislation that there will be no extension beyond December - it turns out to be a masterstroke - afterall it is all the Remainers running around bleating whilst Johnson and those committed to Brexit cam observe the clock

Everyone states that Barnier had pulled a masterstroke by having the negotiating mandate 'hard-wired' into EU27 sign-off - and now he is finding himself boxed in and not able to effectively act in the role of 'chief negotiator' because of the cumbersome governance arrangements.

I would bet Barnier will be in communication about the negotiating mandate up his chain before Johnson is bringing forward legislation to the house

Funny old world, - I am minded to observe:

"We will not see movement from the EU...…."

;-)
I think an extension can still happen up until July the 1st - so it's now or never in terms of putting pressure on BJ and Cummings to go.
 
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