Another new Brexit thread

[Ban-jani]

You think Remainers are all becoming born-again Leavers?

They’ve taken me saying earlier today that I’d compromise with a deal that didn’t wreck the economy or the GFA because we did vote to leave after all, as me coming out and siding with leave.

The level of delusion seems to be snowballing.

 

[Metal Biker]

They’ve taken me saying earlier today that I’d compromise with a deal that didn’t wreck the economy or the GFA because we did vote to leave after all, as me coming out and siding with leave.

The level of delusion seems to be snowballing.

So you no longer advocate that leaving the EU with a deal is the best way of resolving the political divisions in the country and is the best way of both honouring the remainers who don't want to see the UK economy damaged AND honouring the 17.41m leave voters wishes to no longer be politically aligned with the EU?

Please clarify.

 

[BobKowalski]

They’ve taken me saying earlier today that I’d compromise with a deal that didn’t wreck the economy or the GFA because we did vote to leave after all, as me coming out and siding with leave.

The level of delusion seems to be snowballing.

I think as we approach a potential leave date we exhibt the ‘Leavers brains are melting’ stage of Brexit. We will then extend A50 in October and get to do the whole brain melting thing again in January. Should be fun.

 

[mcfc1632]

Strange lie.

How so?

Genuine question - and curious to see BJ liking the post - as it has been him that has been posting that there are now so many Remainers lining up to accept a deal

He even provided a list of names

 

[bluethrunthru]

Not Brexit but QT is all Brexit - tonight we have the question of the series about suicide in the young made all the more poignant by the fact that the questioners daughter took her own life one year ago tomorrow. Brave man - my heart goes out to him and I hope he gets some sort of decent answer.

 

[Ric]

Erm, the remainers on this thread who were discussing that they were implying that exact suggestion.

Ah right. Not sure who that was, but wouldn’t say it any way reflects the views of many Remainers I know.

So we ARE back to "fuck the leavers" then? Guess we're not resolving that political crisis any time soon!

I literally don’t know what you’re going on about.

 

[Metal Biker]

Ah right. Not sure who that was, but wouldn’t say it any way reflects the views of many Remainers I know.

I literally don’t know what you’re going on about.

Odd. You mustn't have been reading the thread earlier in the day then, because the tone of conversation was that many remainers on this thread were now supportive and committed to ensuring that we left with a deal as the best way to resolve the political crisis and help heal the divisions that the tone of conversation about brexit created.

Try reading around page 1287 onwards. This was, after all, the message that began the conversation.

Absolutely incorrect, most remainers in here would compromise with a deal. It’s the leave voters who are pushing for no deal that are the problem.

 

[Ban-jani]

So you no longer advocate that leaving the EU with a deal is the best way of resolving the political divisions in the country and is the best way of both honouring the remainers who don't want to see the UK economy damaged AND honouring the 17.41m leave voters wishes to no longer be politically aligned with the EU?

Please clarify.

Leaving with a soft Brexit is the best case for social cohesion in the short to medium term, possibly long too and respecting the fact that we’re at close to 50/50, then and now but it isn’t the best overall position for the country to take.

Leaving with a deal will damage the country for years to come and will make us weaker. The difference is at least it probably won’t cause another 2008, result in medicine and food shortages or ruin international treaties, that hold peace together.

Remain is the best option and always has been and if you ask me to vote again and again, I’ll only ever vote remain or parties offering a way out of Brexit.

The one benefit a deal has is that it’ll pour water on the flames that exist with leavers and remainers. I’ve been watching question time and listening to leavers and I’m angry listening to some of the shite they’ve said about democracy, betrayal etc. but having calmed down I just think we need this behind us and quickly. But my position is that no deal isn’t putting it behind us, it’s destroying ourselves whilst kicking our future relationship with the EU down the road.

 

[George Hannah]

You think Remainers are all becoming born-again Leavers?

Not all clearly - I think it was just a light hearted comment - a joke even. Didn't warrant a hostile response anyway.

 

[Vic]

So you no longer advocate that leaving the EU with a deal is the best way of resolving the political divisions in the country and is the best way of both honouring the remainers who don't want to see the UK economy damaged AND honouring the 17.41m leave voters wishes to no longer be politically aligned with the EU?

Please clarify.

What deal? Any deal? If he doesn't like it, mcfc1632 is a Remainer. And your advocacy of staying in the EEA would have you at odds with most of the 17.4m.

The bullshit factor has been high today.

 

[Ban-jani]

Odd. You mustn't have been reading the thread earlier in the day then, because the tone of conversation was that many remainers on this thread were now supportive and committed to ensuring that we left with a deal as the best way to resolve the political crisis and help heal the divisions that the tone of conversation about brexit created.

Try reading around page 1287 onwards.

Nobody said that.

This is a manipulation of what I’ve and others have said.

 

[Metal Biker]

Leaving with a soft Brexit is the best case for social cohesion in the short to medium term, possibly long too and respecting the fact that we’re at close to 50/50, then and now but it isn’t the best overall position for the country to take.

Leaving with a deal will damage the country for years to come and will make us weaker. The difference is at least it probably won’t cause another 2008, result in medicine and food shortages or ruin international treaties, that hold peace together.

Remain is the best option and always has been and if you ask me to vote again and again, I’ll only ever vote remain or parties offering a way out of Brexit.

The one benefit a deal has is that it’ll pour water on the flames that exist with leavers and remainers. I’ve been watching question time and listening to leavers and I’m angry listening to some of the shite they’ve said about democracy, betrayal etc. but having calmed down I just think we need this behind us and quickly. But my position is that no deal isn’t putting it behind us, it’s destroying ourselves whilst kicking our future relationship with the EU down the road.

So then, like many of us leavers, you agree that leaving with a deal is the best way to resolve many of the issues that brexit brought up.

Maybe it's the association with the term "leaver" that you object to. Okay then, how about instead of you referring to yourself as a "remainer" or myself as a "leaver", we both refer to ourselves as "compromisers" as, effectively, we want the same thing. The leave the EU with a deal that protects the UK union, UK economy and delivers on the result of the 2016 referendum.

 

[Metal Biker]

Nobody said that.

This is a manipulation of what I’ve and others have said.

No, it isn;t i'm really not interested in misinterpreting people's words, i've had enough of the 'drahmah'. I've posted them as I read them. If i'm incorrect, then feel free to clarify, but it's odd how i'm not the only one who reached the same conclusion by what you and others said from those posts.

You cannot deny that you did state:

Absolutely incorrect, most remainers in here would compromise with a deal. It’s the leave voters who are pushing for no deal that are the problem.

This was in response to my own post:

Of course it should, after all, we all want to know what sort of leave position people who voted remain in the referendum would support.

But that's not their aim; they just want to stop brexit and ignore the result of the first referendum by any means necessary, not come to a compromise with leave voters. For leave voters, the compromise with remainers is to leave with a deal, instead of leaving with a clean break. For remainers, the compromise is... to remain in the EU against the wishes of over 17 million people.

When we brought that claim (about most remainers on the thread now advocating leaving with a deal as the best way to conclude brexit with the least damage politically and economically) into question, you defended it. Are you now saying that is not the case?

 

[mcfc1632]

@Ric - Ha - sorry, I had assumed that you had been catching up on the thread and would have seen that in response to MB asking:

If i'm wrong, please list the names of all the remainers on this forum who you feel support leaving the EU with a deal.

BJ replied:​

Me
Westdidsblu
Len Rum
Bob
Blue Hefner
GDM

Apologies if I’ve missed anyone, feel free to respond stating so.
​

Hopefully you will see that my post was simply a light-hearted comment in response to this suggestion - rather than a lie? ​

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Cheer up

Nobody would have the temerity to accuse you of any form of reasonableness;-)

Not even faux-reasonableness?

 

[Ric]

Odd. You mustn't have been reading the thread earlier in the day then

True, I’ve been at work all day so haven’t read the whole thread. Assumed when he talked about “all” Remainers he was implying a more general shift in opinion, rather than just a couple of posters on here. As mentioned, that doesn’t really reflect my experience but obviously that’s just a microcosm, and we all probably live in our own echo chambers to some extent. Still don’t really get the “fuck all Leavers” comment though.

 

[Ban-jani]

So then, like many of us leavers, you agree that leaving with a deal is the best way to resolve many of the issues that brexit brought up.

Maybe it's the association with the term "leaver" that you object to. Okay then, how about instead of you referring to yourself as a "remainer" or myself as a "leaver", we both refer to ourselves as "compromisers" as, effectively, we want the same thing. The leave the EU with a deal that protects the UK union, UK economy and delivers on the result of the 2016 referendum.

No, again, it’s the best scenario for one aspect of the issues surrounding Brexit and that’s anger and social issues that will arise if we revoke without a vote or leave with no deal.

That’s it, there is literally no other benefit other than it’s massively less shit than no deal.

I’d rather you just called me Tom.

 

[Ban-jani]

No, it isn;t i'm really not interested in misinterpreting people's words, i've had enough of the 'drahmah'. I've posted them as I read them. If i'm incorrect, then feel free to clarify, but it's odd how i'm not the only one who reached the same conclusion by what you and others said from those posts.

You cannot deny that you did state:


This was in response to my own post:


When we brought that claim (about most remainers on the thread now advocating leaving with a deal as the best way to conclude brexit with the least damage politically and economically) into question, you defended it. Are you now saying that is not the case?

As a compromise.

We aren’t leavers, we don’t feel it’s the best position but the referendum matters and if we can find a soft way out then I’ll be content.

It doesn’t mean I feel it’s best.

It’s like saying, Right you can shit your pants or piss yourself, choose?

I’d rather not do either but I’ll piss myself if I’ve no other choice.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Leaving with a soft Brexit is the best case for social cohesion in the short to medium term, possibly long too and respecting the fact that we’re at close to 50/50, then and now but it isn’t the best overall position for the country to take.

Leaving with a deal will damage the country for years to come and will make us weaker. The difference is at least it probably won’t cause another 2008, result in medicine and food shortages or ruin international treaties, that hold peace together.

Remain is the best option and always has been and if you ask me to vote again and again, I’ll only ever vote remain or parties offering a way out of Brexit.

The one benefit a deal has is that it’ll pour water on the flames that exist with leavers and remainers. I’ve been watching question time and listening to leavers and I’m angry listening to some of the shite they’ve said about democracy, betrayal etc. but having calmed down I just think we need this behind us and quickly. But my position is that no deal isn’t putting it behind us, it’s destroying ourselves whilst kicking our future relationship with the EU down the road.

Spot on. Much as I despise the ****, I hope Johnson gets a workable deal, which can get through Parliament. We need this done so we can try and move on.

 

[Ban-jani]

@Ric - Ha - sorry, I had assumed that you had been catching up on the thread and would have seen that in response to MB asking:



BJ replied:​

Hopefully you will see that my post was simply a light-hearted comment in response to this suggestion - rather than a lie? ​

Well done on carefully removing the context around both posts to suggest we now think leaving with a soft Brexit is our no. 1 choice.

For the record we said we’d COMPROMISE (in capitals as you lot keep missing it).