Another new Brexit thread

[Kazzydeyna]

It's official as if we didn't all already know.

Affluent, suit and tie , middle class south east votes are now worth more than northern working class votes. Aided, abetted, and enabled by the labour party under privately educated Jeremy Corbyn, privately educated John McDonnell, and selectively grammar school educated Jess "working class honest guv, listen to my fake accent and ignore my entirely middle class privileged background" Phillips .

The day the north, the poor, the £8.50/hour working class were officially told by their masters "you're scum, you're filth, you're ignorant, and unless we're asking you to fight and die in illegal foreign wars of conquest, you're also completely invisible to us.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

And 48% won't.

Also its really 36% or eligible voters not 52% of the population.

One third of the country that could vote, voted to leave jist under one third voted and the other third were were too lazy or supid to bother.

The whole thing leave/remain is a load of misinformed bollocks tbf

Or didn't bother because they were told ... many times that


It was a non binding referendum

 

[blueinsa]

If these deal was sooooooo good what has he got to worry about?

If its soooooo bad why didn't parliament vote it down today which is what they asked for?

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Some unbelievable comments on here.
And some harsh stuff on Johnson. I'm quite aghast as to the aggressive tone if I'm honest
The facts are we had a referendum in 2016 and we live in a democracy.
The decision should be implemented irrespective of how people voted.

 

[George Hannah]

Rees Mogg has uncoiled and thrown the proceedings into confusion by not bringing forward the expected emergency business statement but has avoided this by making an unquestionable point of order indicating that today's motions may be retabled on Monday.

 

[mexico1970]

The whole problem is that MP's don't want us to leave and whatever deal is proposed it's going to be opposed. One good thing to come out of this is the voting public can see just how disgraceful all MP's are from every corner of this rotten house.

 

[aguero93:20]

Some unbelievable comments on here.
And some harsh stuff on Johnson. I'm quite aghast as to the aggressive tone if I'm honest
The facts are we had a referendum in 2016 and we live in a democracy.
The decision should be implemented irrespective of how people voted.

But how should it be implemented?

 

[wattle]

If its soooooo bad why didn't parliament vote it down today which is what they asked for?

Because people need time to go over it properly and discuss it obviously. It's quite important stuff you know

 

[Chippy_boy]

Corbyn has changed EVERYTHING, he has moved the Labour party back to its traditional and long held Socialist stance and is the Blairites realise their is up and are leaving. It was always going to be a long process taking back control of the party from the neo-liberal centrists. I expect he will leave the leadership after the GE, but at last the party is back in the hands of the membership and not a small cabal of anti-democrats. That is the convenient truth from the left. Now we have reclaimed our party, we have to reclaim our people who were sick of Blair and left in their millions. I am confident they will return because every day the media is getting more hysterical as they know it is coming.

Sorry mate but I think your desperation for this to happen, has completely clouded your thinking and your objectivity. You may say the same about me, but unfortunately I have the data on my side, whereas you do not.

Corbyn's moment in the sun was the last GE where he surprised everyone by being a good campaigner. Since then, his popularity has done nothing but decline. People don't like him, don't like his politics and don't want him. They like McDonnell even less, because he's even more left than Corbyn. Red Ed Milliband did better, but he lost because he was too left wing.

The last time a hard left Labour government won an election with a majority was 45 years ago, and that was a majority of 3. This is not "bad luck" or "coincidence".

You're an intelligent bloke, and only an idiot would fail to realise or accept by contrast, Blair winning 3 successive elections with big majorities, was because he was offering what people want. Only an idiot would not recognise the fact that life in the UK in 1974, was ENTIRELY different to how it is now. Where are the mass-employers of unskilled labour and the strong union voices? Where are the impoverished working conditions and exploited labour? These are very largely gone. People have 50" LCD tv's and one or two cars and they don't walk from their terraced house to the local pit or steelworks.

You're not an idiot, far from it. So honestly, genuinely, I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Old Labour is dead. People don't want it any more.

The only change Corbyn has brought about is keeping Labour in opposition, powerless to do anything, for another decade. He's the worst thing could have happened to your party and indeed to the country.

 

[hammocity]

Having lunch with 25 Spaniards. Realised I have been a citizen of the EU longer than them and will continue to be for at least 2 more weeks.

That’s a fucking big cell

 

[somethingelse]

its an anti Johnson vote ,as the thought that he could actually behave in a competent and industrious manner is an aberration to most,and totally unacceptable,i voted to remain btw ,not on here, in reality at the ballot box,,the liars and weasels are apparent though, yes,and its not Johnson

 

[BLUEMATT23]

But how should it be implemented?

I dont know I'm not a politician.
Too be honest I'm past caring mate.
Like others I'm sick of it and dont care anymore. Sick of the arguments
I voted leave but have come to the conclusion that it will likely get over turned and we will remain in the EU.

 

[hgblue]

Some unbelievable comments on here.
And some harsh stuff on Johnson. I'm quite aghast as to the aggressive tone if I'm honest
The facts are we had a referendum in 2016 and we live in a democracy.
The decision should be implemented irrespective of how people voted.

The Tory rebels who voted for this extension will vote for the deal when it comes back. Boris has the numbers, this deal is happening.

 

[blueinsa]

Because people need time to go over it properly and discuss it obviously. It's quite important stuff you know

of course they do.

See you in 3 months time when they still haven't even fucking read it because they have no intentions of delivering brexit.

 

[Rascal]

Sorry mate but I think your desperation for this to happen, has completely clouded your thinking and your objectivity. You may say the same about me, but unfortunately I have the data on my side, whereas you do not.

Corbyn's moment in the sun was the last GE where he surprised everyone by being a good campaigner. Since then, his popularity has done nothing but decline. People don't like him, don't like his politics and don't want him. They like McDonnell even less, because he's even more left than Corbyn. Red Ed Milliband did better, but he lost because he was too left wing.

The last time a hard left Labour government won an election with a majority was 45 years ago, and that was a majority of 3. This is not "bad luck" or "coincidence".

You're an intelligent bloke, and only an idiot would fail to realise or accept by contrast, Blair winning 3 successive elections with big majorities, was because he was offering what people want. Only an idiot would not recognise the fact that life in the UK in 1974, was ENTIRELY different to how it is now.

You're not an idiot, far from it. So honestly, genuinely, I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Old Labour is dead. People don't want it any more.

I did say he has paved the way for the next leader. He has reclaimed the ground that they can work on.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

The Tory rebels who voted for this extension will vote for the deal when it comes back. Boris has the numbers, this deal is happening.

It won't mate the whole thing will get cancelled.

 

[wattle]

I dont know I'm not a politician.
Too be honest I'm past caring mate.
Like others I'm sick of it and dont care anymore. Sick of the arguments
I voted leave but have to the conclusion that it will likely get over turned and we will remain in the EU.

I think all of us on both sides of the fence are sick of it mate. We're (our parliament) is a joke

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

This parliament is an utter disgrace.

Fair play to the likes of Flint and Ronnie Campbell .

 

[aguero93:20]

I dont know I'm not a politician.
Too be honest I'm past caring mate.
Like others I'm sick of it and dont care anymore. Sick of the arguments
I voted leave but have to the conclusion that it will likely get over turned and we will remain in the EU.

The DUP campaigned to leave, but they're against this deal. They want Brexit but not in the way Johnson is trying to implement it. The only way to get it through is by having a second ref on a deal or finding a deal a majority of MPs can back. I've explained this on here before, we're a direct democracy unlike you lot, our government couldn't legally ask us such a vague question as you lot got asked.

 

[wattle]

of course they do.

See you in 3 months time when they still haven't even fucking read it because they have no intentions of delivering brexit.

You might be right on that one mate