It sounds like they want to politicise the civil service, as in America. That often is OK in the White House, but under Trump it's not replacing people who know how to run things with ideologues and loyalists who don't, or with permanent secretaries who are (cue Thatcher) "one of us". As they have divided society, they will divide the civil service. And I'm now sure it's deliberate - it's the colonial "divide and rule" policy applied to the UK, and to England within it. Healing and consensus is not what he wants (Johnson or Cummings, take your pick).
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That's because the parallels are precisely what I meant.
Some of us believe that our relationship with Europe should be exactly what some Scots believe should be with England. You don't hate the English, do you? You don't hate England? You want to continue to trade with England, right? Retain some semblance of a relationship? All you're saying is you want to end the political association with England. You see Scotland prospering outside of the UK union and your sole desire is to merely be a trading partner, not a political partner.
By 'you' im assuming you mean the royal you.
Yeah look, not disagreeing at all with that, i get the principles behind both. Always acknowledged various reasons and ambitions, and extremes in both.
Not the point the article (and the quote i used) was making at all however, but certainly not going to deny it is a valid point you make.
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About time this thread was closed.
Brexit is happening, probably by Friday.No point debating the same points over and over again.
We have been told on 100s of occasions that this is just the WA and that is not Brexit - just the easy part
What about the FTA that is to be negotiated?
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At least you're honest about your desire for the break up of the union.I suspect many South of the border see the so called 'precious' union between England and Scotland as similar to a separated wife who we continue to subsidise yet all we get back in return is endless moaning! Many yearn for that inevitable divorce. ;-)
What have the Scots ever done for us? Apart from inventing the telephone, television, bicycle, steam engine, penicillin, pneumatic tyre and being responsible for the design and construction of numerous bridges, roads, canals and other infrastructure in England what use are they? Anyway, never mind all that, we don't like Nicola Sturgeon so they can all fuck off.
Well you got to admit that was quite humorousAgain, point (continuously) proved.
Agreed. My mrs works for HMRC, they are expecting the diktats from chairman Cummings to start appearing anytime soon.It sounds like they want to politicise the civil service, as in America. That often is OK in the White House, but under Trump it's not replacing people who know how to run things with ideologues and loyalists who don't, or with permanent secretaries who are (cue Thatcher) "one of us". As they have divided society, they will divide the civil service. And I'm now sure it's deliberate - it's the colonial "divide and rule" policy applied to the UK, and to England within it. Healing and consensus is not what he wants (Johnson or Cummings, take your pick).
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Possible slight mis-use of thread on my part but what are you basing that on mate (not querying your judgement just interested to understand)?I think you've misread what I was saying. I don't think the EU is going to go tits up, it's us who I think is going to go tits up. And I can promise you that wasn't an 'i'm alright jack' post, it was a 'we're battening down the hatches for incoming shit' post. I'm expecting the housing market to drop, it's why we're not getting a bigger mortgage.
*just to be clear, if johnson does think the EU are going to bend and do it all for him, he's pissing in the wind. the entitled prick has always got his way though, so he probably thinks it'll happen again
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You forgot deep fried Mars bars.At least you're honest about your desire for the break up of the union.
What have the Scots ever done for us? Apart from inventing the telephone, television, bicycle, steam engine, penicillin, pneumatic tyre and being responsible for the design and construction of numerous bridges, roads, canals and other infrastructure in England what use are they? Anyway, never mind all that, we don't like Nicola Sturgeon so they can all fuck off.
It's based on a number of things, some to do with brexit, some not, but based on my understanding of what is going to happen with regards to brexit (just see IDS's assessment this morning that 'Europe needs us'. they don't) we are very likely to going to end up with a brexit which is going to wreck our economy. If that happens it's very likely the housing market will tank and house prices will go down.Possible slight mis-use of thread on my part but what are you basing that on mate (not querying your judgement just interested to understand)?
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At least you're honest about your desire for the break up of the union.
What have the Scots ever done for us? Apart from inventing the telephone, television, bicycle, steam engine, penicillin, pneumatic tyre and being responsible for the design and construction of numerous bridges, roads, canals and other infrastructure in England what use are they? Anyway, never mind all that, we don't like Nicola Sturgeon so they can all fuck off.
you have got it the wrong way around mate. It’s Nicola sturgeon who wants to fuck us off.
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now the coffin is about to pass through the final curtain, cheered on it's way by the racists and the closet robinsonians, the thatcherite islamophobes, the hatemailers and murdoch supporters; this may be the last chance to wish them all the very worst of everything, with knobs on. If smug bullshittery was a terminal disease instead of a staple life support for brexits.......E S A D
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now the coffin is about to pass through the final curtain, cheered on it's way by the racists and the closet robinsonians, the thatcherite islamophobes, the hatemailers and murdoch supporters; this may be the last chance to wish them all the very worst of everything, with knobs on. If smug bullshittery was a terminal disease instead of a staple life support for brexits.......E S A D
May you and your family have a wonderful healthy happy Christmas too.
Very well said mateyou have got it the wrong way around mate. It’s Nicola sturgeon who wants to fuck us off.
Indeed - Seasons Greetings to you alsonow the coffin is about to pass through the final curtain, cheered on it's way by the racists and the closet robinsonians, the thatcherite islamophobes, the hatemailers and murdoch supporters; this may be the last chance to wish them all the very worst of everything, with knobs on. If smug bullshittery was a terminal disease instead of a staple life support for brexits.......E S A D
May 2020 bring some sunlit uplands into your world
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It's based on a number of things, some to do with brexit, some not, but based on my understanding of what is going to happen with regards to brexit (just see IDS's assessment this morning that 'Europe needs us'. they don't) we are very likely to going to end up with a brexit which is going to wreck our economy. If that happens it's very likely the housing market will tank and house prices will go down.
Not saying you’re wrong but I think the daily fail has a very different take today, expecting a booming housing market. They are Brexit cheerleaders though
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So tony Blair now says labour should have accepted the 2016 result .
I have no words .
I have no words .
Yeah, mark that down as 'bullshit'. Brexit could have been workable but we have this shower of complete liars and bullshitters in charge and it is going to be a mess.Not saying you’re wrong but I think the daily fail has a very different take today, expecting a booming housing market. They are Brexit cheerleaders though
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Indeed she does, however my response was to @Churchlawtonblue who wants to fuck them off because of that.you have got it the wrong way around mate. It’s Nicola sturgeon who wants to fuck us off.
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now the coffin is about to pass through the final curtain, cheered on it's way by the racists and the closet robinsonians, the thatcherite islamophobes, the hatemailers and murdoch supporters; this may be the last chance to wish them all the very worst of everything, with knobs on. If smug bullshittery was a terminal disease instead of a staple life support for brexits.......E S A D
....... and a merry Christmas to you too x
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Not ones you could repeat in pleasant company, I imagine ;)So tony Blair now says labour should have accepted the 2016 result .
I have no words .
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