Won’t happen. E27 states will wait to see how the U.K. treats their citizens. What we do to them will define how each state treats ours. Once you strip out protections as EU citizens then they become hostages to fortune and all that.
I am afraid that is a very simplistic way of looking at itAnd that's all fine. There's still an issue with the framing of it though in that the EUs very good deal they had with May still allowed them a fall back to a still acceptable position for them, which is why they were fine with Varadkar sorting it out directly with Johnson. Johnsons public position (and Mays before him) was that there absolutely wouldn't be a border on the Irish Sea. He fell back from that position in order to get his agreement.
That can still be argued as per your second paragraph, in that "parties make public statements about all sorts of positions which are very far from the truth, but that they may climb down from those positions if forced to do so". It never seems to be mentioned that that is exactly what Johnson did, only that the EU were perceived to because of a threat of no deal.
The other thing to mention is it's still an acceptable position to the EU as ultimately they were happy as long as Varadkar was - they still haven't broken any of their red lines at all, only given up what they weren't expecting in the first place. I'm sure plenty of people are also happy with Johnsons deal too, there are still some that think him being the head of the "Conservative and Unionist Party" should still mean something though...
I am afraid that is a very simplistic way of looking at it
For the EU - the unfettered backstop in May's deal gave them comprehensive and exclusive control over future negotiations and full capability to neuter any threat that the UK could pose as a competitor
You make it sound like a - nice to have
Very wrong - the EU did not want to reopen the WA
This simple fact is missed by a lot on here
I am afraid that is a very simplistic way of looking at it
For the EU - the unfettered backstop in May's deal gave them comprehensive and exclusive control over future negotiations and full capability to neuter any threat that the UK could pose as a competitor
You make it sound like a - nice to have
Very wrong - the EU did not want to reopen the WA
This simple fact is missed by a lot on here
Ah! Unfettered Backstop.
We haven't had that for ages.
Don't you miss it.
I am afraid that is a very simplistic way of looking at it
For the EU - the unfettered backstop in May's deal gave them comprehensive and exclusive control over future negotiations and full capability to neuter any threat that the UK could pose as a competitor
You make it sound like a - nice to have
Very wrong - the EU did not want to reopen the WA
This simple fact is missed by a lot on here
So tony Blair now says labour should have accepted the 2016 result .
I have no words .
It’s the first big step to a united Ireland imo. Obviously they’ll have to tread carefully and give the unionist community some limited autonomy, but I can see it happening in the next few years. Even the the most radical unionists must have realised by now that they can’t rely on an English Tory government to stand up for their interests.The EU were not calling the shots. Varadkar was calling the shots. Varadkar got what he wanted. No land border in Ireland and as a consequence NI falling under the economic writ of the EU.
The EU mandate for negotiations was set by the leaders of the E27 nations. It was the leaders who decided whether the WA was to be opened, not the EU. Barnier reports to the leaders. Not the other way round.
Three years and you still haven’t worked this out.
It’s the first big step to a united Ireland imo. Obviously they’ll have to tread carefully and give the unionist community some limited autonomy, but I can see it happening in the next few years. Even the the most radical unionists must have realised by now that they can’t rely on an English Tory government to stand up for their interests.
You just do not appear to be capable of understanding basic truthsBut the Eu did open the WA and presented the clown with an offer that they had already made to May ... which was unacceptable if you didnt want to instigate the break up of the Union ... but it was acceptable to the clown because money comes into it ... Corrupt.
You do appear capable of understanding basics - but are just a bit selective in a slippery kind of way in how you spin themThe EU were not calling the shots. Varadkar was calling the shots. Varadkar got what he wanted. No land border in Ireland and as a consequence NI falling under the economic writ of the EU.
The EU mandate for negotiations was set by the leaders of the E27 nations. It was the leaders who decided whether the WA was to be opened, not the EU. Barnier reports to the leaders. Not the other way round.
Three years and you still haven’t worked this out.
There's a lot of it about.You do appear capable of understanding basics - but are just a bit selective in a slippery kind of way in how you spin them
Are we going to have to put up with 5 years of this? What are you hoping to achieve with your incessant bile?But the Eu did open the WA and presented the clown with an offer that they had already made to May ... which was unacceptable if you didnt want to instigate the break up of the Union ... but it was acceptable to the clown because money comes into it ... Corrupt.
There's a lot of it about.
Best just let it go.
Let the healing begin.
You do appear capable of understanding basics - but are just a bit selective in a slippery kind of way in how you spin them
If you don't like those slogans, I've got others.I really dont see much possibility of healing. There are too many divisions and whilst the current opposition remaiin unelectable, despite Tory promises which almost always end up being lies the divisions will grow.
If you don't like those slogans, I've got others.
One that's sprung to mind several times over the months is this from Jack Nicholson;
"You want the truth, you can't handle the truth".
"Reach out to the other side" ?The problem with that one in this case is i am not sure anyone knows the truth. Many want the truth but havent a clue whethet we can handle it or otherwise.
Until that alters i dont see any prospect of this great healing and unification happening.
"Reach out to the other side" ?