Another new Brexit thread

[mcfc1632]

And not the idiot that's legislating to leave without a deal if we can't do a deal in a year? No Corbyn, no Brexit, but No Deal is a pure Tory thing.

Idiot you say?

Have you not yet learned what was always utterly true:

"That we will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced by the prospect of a viable walk-away outcome and the political will to use it"

That has always been true - no matter how Remainers on here have not been able to grasp such basics

To be seen as viable and for the suggestion to use it to be seen as credible - then preparing robustly is essential

Seems that we ae going to see the negotiations planned and led by professionals at last (of course I do not mean Johnson here) - Johnson just needs to select the right team and back them

Also very true is that the EU team will not be feeling as confident and cocky as they have previously

 

[blueparrot]

And as I said, your own Scottish Parliament is doing a grand job of representing the 55% who voted to remain in the UK, haven't they.

If you cant stick to the topic of FPTP and Westminster , I’ve better things to get on with.I voted to change our system when we had the chance did you or do you think its just fine.

 

[dave_blue12]

Under our system, the 44.6% who did, it absolutely is a majority.

You only seem to like democracy when it suits. I guarentee you won't have quoted these figures after a similar Labour victory. It just stinks of entitlement.

FYI I am not a Labour supporter

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

And your point is ?

That number of votes isn't the overriding factor in a US election.

Different system in the UK but similar outcomes.

 

[Metal Biker]

So the candidate with less votes wins

Okay

You must be trolling now.

It's the same as the UK, it's the same most anywhere. Metropolitan areas have more people able to vote than sparser towns, so they have more representatives in parliament. If your side had won you would not have been complaining about Tory/leave representation, would you.

Your hypocrisy is staggering.

 

[mcfc1632]

Under our system, the 44.6% who did, it absolutely is a majority.

You only seem to like democracy when it suits. I guarentee you won't have quoted these figures after a similar Labour victory. It just stinks of entitlement.

you nailed it

 

[Metal Biker]

FYI I am not a Labour supporter

Then why are you complaining, because you've backed an even smaller minority and you're upset you're not being listened to?

Would your chosen party have listened to 17.4m leave voters opinions had they got into government?

 

[Metal Biker]

If you cant stick to the topic of FPTP and Westminster , I’ve better things to get on with.I voted to change our system when we had the chance did you or do you think its just fine.

Translation: Shit, i've been rumbled.

You don't give a fuck about Scottish leave voters opinions or Scottish unionist opinions, do you.

Not every single SNP vote is a vote to remain in the EU or to leave the UK union. Many are disillusioned Conservative/Labour voters.

 

[mcfc1632]

Give a thought to the 55.4% of the electorate who didn't vote Conservative

Just in case you didn't spot it that's a substantial majority

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56.4%.

If we’re treating that the same as some Brexiters are treating the SNP vote in Scotland, we’re leaving the EU against the wishes of the majority.

Seems like you guys should have arranged to have a referendum rather than a GE;-)

Too much self-serving by Labour and LibDems - and too late now ;-)

 

[mcfc1632]

Here's a conundrum for Remainers on here.

There are a few posters claiming that Leave gained less than 50% of the vote in the election. This is based on assuming Labour had a Remain policy. It didn't...it had some Remain / Leave mash up that was quite clearly a load of shite.

Hence an 80 seat Conservative majority :)

Indeed - but Remainers have spent over 3 years presenting stats as suits their narrative best - there has been no obvious requirement for commonsense and balance

 

[west didsblue]

Seems like you guys should have arranged to have a referendum rather than a GE;-)

Too much self-serving by Labour and LibDems - and too late now ;-)

Why are you winking at me you oddball.

 

[mcfc1632]

Its not so much that the best losers get to lead the government that bothers me about our system. Its that they are allowed to totally disregard those others that represent the majority that is everything that is wrong with our system of democracy.

I feel it will be best if we discuss this travesty for months to come

 

[mcfc1632]

Yeah, just like those poor leave voting unionist, anti Scottish Independence Scots, eh?

#prayforthecultofNicola

 

[Metal Biker]

#prayforthecultofNicola

We're back in 2015!

#Theyvelearnednothing

 

[blueparrot]

Translation: Shit, i've been rumbled.

You don't give a fuck about Scottish leave voters opinions or Scottish unionist opinions, do you.

Not every single SNP vote is a vote to remain in the EU or to leave the UK union. Many are disillusioned Conservative/Labour voters.

I am a unionist so is my wife and daughter, my son was now not so much., we all voted no last time. So rumbled don’t think so. Ive always supported the idea of coalition government. Voted for Labour many more times than SNP, voted Liberal twice SNP 3 times. But we aren’t talking about Scotland So one more time Ill ask a very simple question do you think FPTP producing huge majorities that cant be held to account on 44% of the vote is good or bad? If you think its good, thats fine just say so,

 

[Metal Biker]

I am a unionist so is my wife and daughter, my son was now not so much., we all voted no last time. So rumbled don’t think so. Ive always supported the idea of coalition government. Voted for Labour many more times than SNP, voted Liberal twice SNP 3 times. But we aren’t talking about Scotland So one more time Ill ask a very simple question do you think FPTP producing huge majorities that cant be held to account on 44% of the vote is good or bad? If you think its good, thats fine just say so,

You're a unionist who bangs on about scottish independence.

I've seen it all. What a load of bullshit.

I hate FPTP and fully support PR. But under THESE elections and THESE systems, THESE decisions have been made. Now accept it, or continue whinging.

 

[west didsblue]

You're a unionist who bangs on about scottish independence.

I've seen it all. What a load of bullshit.

I hate FPTP and fully support PR. But under THESE elections and THESE systems, THESE decisions have been made. Now accept it, or continue whinging.

Are you a teenager?

 

[blueparrot]

You're a unionist who bangs on about scottish independence.

I've seen it all. What a load of bullshit.

I hate FPTP and fully support PR. But under THESE elections and THESE systems, THESE decisions have been made. Now accept it, or continue whinging.

You think I’m lying then? I told you how I voted. Whether I vote the same next time depends entirely on the way Brexit goes., my son the same not sure about my wife and daughter.

 

[Metal Biker]

You think I’m lying then? I told you how I voted. Whether I vote the same next time depends entirely on the way Brexit goes., my son the same not sure about my wife and daughter.

Do you support Scottish Independence, yes or no?

 

[Metal Biker]

Are you a teenager?

Yes!

Are teenagers voices not welcome or considered mature enough for you?
Against the "votes for 16 year olds" then I take it?