Any reasonable offer accepted

cleavers said:
FantasyIreland said:
cleavers said:
Something I think people forget, is that we do need to have a quota of English/homegrown players for the PL and CL, so there are some we probably have to keep, and/or replace like for like.

I'm sure next season we'll have enough quality from the EDS to make up any requirement for such.
You've more confidence than me then. I think it'll be 2 or 3 years at least before we can bring enough through, that are good enough to fill in and give the first teamers a break.
well lopes rekik and huws look good enough to make the step up for me next season, all in positions where we could use some back-up too.
 
BigOscar said:
lasereyes said:
Just look back to our games at Sunderland and last night. In both cases, Milner started on the right wing, but came to the centre when Navas came on and looked a whole lot better.
I'd put that more down to Milner not being on the right anymore, than his exceptional central play

Not saying he was exceptional, but he played well in both cases. Remember, I am not saying he should be our starter. But I like him as a backup.
 
Clichy counts as homegrown doesn't he? So if we have him, 2 of our 3 keepers, Guidetti and Rekik, we only need another couple of "homegrown" players don't we? (depending on people like Boyata still being here)
 
Agree with most. Think Micah should stay. He's still got a lot of potential and is a good player when fully fit. Kolarov has been much better than Clichy this season (IMO) and I think Lescott can and has been a very solid center back for us. The combination of him and Vinny at the back was one of the reasons we won the title two years ago.
 
aguero93:20 said:
well lopes rekik and huws look good enough to make the step up for me next season, all in positions where we could use some back-up too.
I hope you are right, but as I rarely get to see them I have no idea if they of the standard required, in the future all the players need to be able to play high tempo, quick passing, currently a number aren't good enough. I feel it will be a couple of years at least, before we have this level of player throughout the club (in the numbers required), unless we buy them in.
 
Dzeko was essential in winning the trophies 2010-2012 . He created a change in third goal when negredo scored and scored the fourth. If this isn`t enough for a striker then these "supporters" seem to come from some other clubs. Support our city players or go supporting chelsea.
Selling players to rivals isn`t too wise ´couse it weakens our team and gives also knowlidge to opposition of our weaknessess.
 
lasereyes said:
The Fat el Hombre said:
I think the gulf in technical quality between a lot of players has become particularly apparent after the signings this summer, mainly because of Fernandinho and Negredo (think Jovetic will show it once he starts playing more, ditto Navas but to a slightly lesser extent). I said earlier on in the season when Edin was playing that he was starting to stick out like a sore thumb as his ability on the ball looked so poor when surrounded by the rest of the midfield and attacking players, but there's a lot of players that are being shown up a bit now. When we had Barry in central midfield, although decent and fairly comfortable on the ball, he still bumbled about with it at times in comparison to the likes of Nasri and Silva, whereas Barry's replacement Fernandinho is one of the slickest little operators in the game. His control, skill, quick thinking and slick passing has been a big upgrade on Barry (as good as Barry was), particularly with us upping the tempo of play this season, and with central midfield being such an influential position, having Fernandinho in there along with Dave, Yaya, the much improved Nasri (although he was always comfortable on the ball) and Aguero if you throw a player in there who isn't particularly great technically then they're gonna stand out. At the start of the season that was Dzeko, and he stuck out a fucking mile. Throw Negredo in there and there's no problem at all. You play a quick, hard ball in to his feet and he'll stop it dead no worries, might even do something better with it like he did when he turned dawson inside out on sunday, but you give the same ball to Dzeko and there's a good chance he'll be unable to control it well enough and play will slow down or break it down completely and we'll lose posession. But with the forward six of Negredo, Aguero, Dave, Nasri, Fern and Yaya you've got a fucking serious bunch of players of which every one of them is so comfortable on the ball, with each of them capable of an unpredictable element by which they can use their skill and awareness to change and dictate the play, or at least when they are moving the ball in a more predictable manner (e.g obvious pass sideways) they'll control it and move it much quicker than the like of Garcia which will help us to stretch teams and create gaps.

You can substitue Navas in for someone in that forward six no problem, ditto Jovetic , whose feet are impeccable. But the likes of MIlner and Javi Garcia are gonna stand out and slow the play down. Rodwell I'm not sure about yet, I think he has the potential to do ok and might just about fit in, should he ever get fit, but I don't think that there's any doubt that there's a huge drop in quality in central midfield when Yaya or Fernandinho are out and that another centre mid is a priority for the squad.

As for the defence, I think although his form as gone off Clichy is well capable, Vinnie obviously, Nastasic has got it and so has Zaba. They're all comfortable on the ball and can knock it about at a high tempo without slowing play down, which is what we need to stretch teams and create gaps. So the starting 11 is fine. Lescott has stood out for years, and although he's a good defender he'll be on his way soon. Kolarov is Kolarov and I think one of the most intriguing positions is at right back with Micah and Zab. This is because in the title winning season Micah was so important to us, and even last season with Zabs great for I might have preferred a fit Micah to start, but now Zaba's ability to be more comfortable on the ball is particularly noticeable, which on top of his reliability makes it a no brainer to start over Micah.

At the end of the day we play week in week out in the premiership where the play isn't as technical as in europe and a lot of players might not stand out as much. And I think there're games when you might need the likes of Milner there, so how many of the less technical players can we get away with in the team? Obviously more at home. The sunderland away fixture seemed obvious that we didn't have enough quality players in there to give us a good enough advantage for my liking to win the game (RIchards, Kolarov, Garcia, Lescott, Milner not up to scratch compared to the likes of Aguero and Yaya) but if we'd have had Fern in there instead of Garcia that one change would have had a huge impact, such is the gulf in quality between the 2 players, and 1 or 2 more changes and we really would have had a far superior team that probably would have won. As it was I felt the team we put out that day didn't really have too much of an advantage. I know our away form is down to many other things, and the sunderland game in particular was down to us being unable to break them down, but I used that as an example because it was a situation where you could look at our team and think 'that ain't gonna be enough'.

I think we’re in another transition period where we’re about to go up another level if we do it right. Cut a long story short, I think if we replace Garcia with another proper centre mid, get Dzeko out of there (Jovetic is up to it) and 1 more of the lesser defenders and we should be able to consistently field a team of players who can all knock it about fluently and we can hopefully play the very high standard of game we’re capable of a lot more often than we’re doing at the moment

I think your basic point about technical ability is bang-on (and couldnt agree more with your comments on Dzeko). But I think some of your individual assessments are harsh. For instance, "Lescott has stood our for years" ... bud, Lescott was outstanding in our title-winning season which was the season before last. He did f**k-up in the final game on the Cisse goal, which could have cost us the title, but he and Kompany played a huge part in getting us to that point - they were rock solid in a way we have sorely missed this year. Likewise, Milner not up to scratch -- unfair IMHO. Sure he doesn't have the dazzling footwork of Silva or Nasri, but he is mostly solid, moves well, and fits in well to the formation. I think MP plays him out of position - he looks much more comfortable in central midfield, where he can be an effective backup for Toure or Fernandiho. In fact, in some of the sucker-punch games (away to a lower team on a freezing Jan night), you can make a case for his starting over Toure, who tends to go MIA on those lower limelight days).

Agree that lescott was outstanding for us in the title winning season (regardless of the fuck up against Cisse) and I said that he's a good defender to be fair. When I said he has "stood our for years" I was referring to his ability on the ball, which I stand by

I should probably make it clearer on Milner - I think he's a good player, very useful and a superb squad member for multiple reasons. Of the players I mentioned who aren't quite technically at the level that most/all in our starting line up are, he'd probably be the last one I'd look to replace. I also agree with you on the point you make about having a case for putting him in ahead of Yaya in certain games, BUT, I do think that at champions league level he gets caught out a bit and he looks out of his depth consistently at international level. I think we can swap Yaya or Fern for Milner in the prem and barely have to worry about it at all, but we've got ambitions of winning the champions league and the fact of the matter is that Milner is probably the best backup to our centre mids and I don't think you'd be able to get away with him in there against the top sides
 
All these posts saying Milner is just a worker and has no skill must be the people who leave before full time and missed his 50 yard cross field pass that set up our 6th goal v spurs.... Yep absolute shite !
 
Bpughh said:
sell them all except micah. i mean what the hell... tired of seeing so many people getting on micah's case. he's been poor but he's definitely got the ability. no doubt he'll come around
Had over a year off injured and is apparently supposed to just jump in like he never had a day off mate, fucking redonkulous
 
invisableman said:
All these posts saying Milner is just a worker and has no skill must be the people who leave before full time and missed his 50 yard cross field pass that set up our 6th goal v spurs.... Yep absolute shite !

Milner isn't lacking in skill, that's an absurd notion. He just has different skills. It unfortunately just so happens that the areas he's lacking are important for our 11 players to operate in the manner Pellegrini wants them too. Being able to hit a perfect 50 yard cross field pass isn't as important as receiving a fast pass in a tight situation, being able to control it and lay it off to the right player to keep the move going. That's what Milner is lacking. He would be exceptional (much like Dzeko), in a team that plays to his strengths. And that's from someone who wants to keep Milner.
 

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