Are we really a democracy?

[i kne albert davy]

Well I think that occurs because we have a bad system IMO. I don't understand why when we had the chance we didn't change it, seems daft to me. Nothing I can do about that though.

Tough one but we had the chance like you say, only 42% could be arsed enough to bother to vote of those that could nearly 70% didn't want it to change democracy in action I would say.

 

[malg]

Yes

 

[hgblue]

Don’t presume to understand how I’m thinking. I don’t take any of those things for granted, so you’re talking utter shit there for a start.

I’ve recently moved from the pretty much safest Labour seat in the country (Birmingham Ladywood, MP secured 79% of the vote) to one of the safest Tory seats outside the South East (Stratford on Avon, MP secured 62% of the vote).

There is literally no point in me voting in a general election in either. Total waste of fucking time.

Each MP will vote principally as their whips tell them to, not in the best interests of their constituents (especially Zahawi, who is an ambitious minister) unless those two matters happen to elide.

If you think that’s the best system we can devise, then good for you, but in my opinion tbe appalling state of our politics and the paucity of discernIble talent within it, even at cabinet level, is a direct consequence of this 19th century system thst isn’t fit for purpose, and our decline as a nation will continue as long as it subsists.

It served a purpose once, but it’s done.

This is turning into a discussion about the voting system, not democracy itself, but the democratic process delivered a referendum which put the pros and cons to the public and asked them to decide. When this was done PR was decisively rejected.

You're fighting an uphill battle, not because democracy doesn't work, but because the people of this country don't agree with you. If they did, democracy would have delivered a change and people like me who prefer the current system would have had to accept it. That's my point.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Germany did about 70 years ago.

Strange comment are you referring to having proportional representation allowing the Nazi party into power it was only part of it.

 

[i kne albert davy]

That's what I said. Think we should be asked a little more often though what type of democracy we want.

That sounds a bit like I don't like the result I want to change the rules, I'd prefer to ask to what's the party I support doing wrong as to not convince the electorate to vote for them.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

This is turning into a discussion about the voting system, not democracy itself, but the democratic process delivered a referendum which put the pros and cons to the public and asked them to decide. When this was done PR was decisively rejected.

You're fighting an uphill battle, not because democracy doesn't work, but because the people of this country don't agree with you. If they did, democracy would have delivered a change and people like me who prefer the current system would have had to accept it. That's my point.

We didn't have a PR referendum. AV is not considered a proportional voting method.

Instant-runoff voting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I prefer to think as first passed the post keeps the nutcase fringes where they belong which isn't the houses of Parliament, if they have anything other than minority following fair enough they gain representation. Our system of democracy may not be perfect but until somebody comes up with something better I'll live with it.

Yes, most of Northern Europe already have come up with a better method. That is the point.

If you are strongly in favour of keeping first-past-the-post, you ought to learn how to spell it properly :)

 

[i kne albert davy]

We didn't have a PR referendum. AV is not considered a proportional voting method.

Instant-runoff voting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It was on the way to PR and would have assured the candidate got 50% of the vote, we decided we didn't want change, to be fair a referendum always favours the status quo, unless whats in place ain't that good.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

We didn't have a PR referendum. AV is not considered a proportional voting method.

Instant-runoff voting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yep, the Tories and Labour would never agree to a referendum on PR, because they know it would destroy their unfair advantage.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Yes, most of Northern Europe already have come up with a better method. That is the point.

If you are strongly in favour of keeping first-past-the-post, you ought to learn how to spell it properly :)

Sorry and by the way who appointed you site policeman.