Are we really a democracy?

It’s been mismanaged by elected Tories, not the House of Lords or Monarchy.
I think that the government were implicitly included mate (top jobs for old Etonians etc).
The wider point is that its time the UK modernised. From my perspective it must if it wants to survive in its current form. If it doesn't then one or more of NI, Scotland or Wales will surely leave.
 
Elected by about 40% of the electorate who voted. Fucking joke of a system.
Yeah PR would be better but then that’s not perfect either, you get people making decisions who weren’t people’s first choice.

The only way you guarantee getting a government with over 50% of votes every time is a system like the US, which I think we should avoid.
 
I think that the government were implicitly included mate (top jobs for old Etonians etc).
The wider point is that its time the UK modernised. From my perspective it must if it wants to survive in its current form. If it doesn't then one or more of NI, Scotland or Wales will surely leave.
There’s no serious movement of NI or Wales leaving, when you speak to Scots they always mention Tories as the reason for wanting to go.

I think that problem will be gone very soon.
 
There’s no serious movement of NI or Wales leaving, when you speak to Scots they always mention Tories as the reason for wanting to go.

I think that problem will be gone very soon.
No I don't believe it will. Yes the tories are disliked intensely in Scotland by the majority but simply replacing them with a Labour government wont make a blind bit of difference.
 
There’s no serious movement of NI or Wales leaving, when you speak to Scots they always mention Tories as the reason for wanting to go.

I think that problem will be gone very soon.
…and then return.

That’s the problem, the Scots now have generations who have experienced long Conservative rule which has no foundation in that country, unlike in England. However, many north of the border now see little difference between what the Conservatives offer and what Labour offers, so while some will mention the Tories, others increasingly talk about Westminster.
 
It’s been mismanaged by elected Tories, not the House of Lords or Monarchy.
That's true, but it's worth mentioning how the system is constructed to allow those with connections to almost guarantee that they'll be elected as long as they represent one of the two big parties (or the SNP nowadays, I suppose). Few are elected on the strength of their own talents or campaigning ability. They're simply parachuted into a safe seat and then given important jobs in government. London-born Jacob Rees-Mogg was shifted to three different constituencies as far apart as Scotland and Somerset before he finally won an election in a newly-created constituency that was never going to vote any other way. They could have used such a seat to put a working-class voice forward (if they could find one), for example, or perish the thought, someone who's actually from the community they're representing. But instead they use it to give an opportunity to one of the most privileged men in Britain.
 
No I don't believe it will. Yes the tories are disliked intensely in Scotland by the majority but simply replacing them with a Labour government wont make a blind bit of difference.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on what’s going to happen with Scotland.
 
Now three prime ministers away from the manifesto and mandate won in 2019, and a tiny segment of the country chose a new pm based upon the fact that she said things they like reading in the mail and the other bloke was a bit foreign looking.
So no, I don't even think the conservative party is a functioning democracy at present, nevermind the country.
 
It's better than 90% of the rest of the world. I think it's being eroded though by everyone. The govn, protesters glueing themselves to stuff, terrorism, media tycoons, the Right, the Left, our media themselves.

I blame the Internet brought us all closer but we find we hate each other. In my naive pov the Internet has had the same effect as the printing press or radio or tv on society.
 
That's true, but it's worth mentioning how the system is constructed to allow those with connections to almost guarantee that they'll be elected as long as they represent one of the two big parties (or the SNP nowadays, I suppose). Few are elected on the strength of their own talents or campaigning ability. They're simply parachuted into a safe seat and then given important jobs in government. London-born Jacob Rees-Mogg was shifted to three different constituencies as far apart as Scotland and Somerset before he finally won an election in a newly-created constituency that was never going to vote any other way. They could have used such a seat to put a working-class voice forward (if they could find one), for example, or perish the thought, someone who's actually from the community they're representing. But instead they use it to give an opportunity to one of the most privileged men in Britain.
Completely agree with that.
 
It's better than 90% of the rest of the world. I think it's being eroded though by everyone. The govn, protesters glueing themselves to stuff, terrorism, media tycoons, the Right, the Left, our media themselves.

I blame the Internet brought us all closer but we find we hate each other. In my naive pov the Internet has had the same effect as the printing press or radio or tv on society.

To be honest, protestors gluing themselves to stuff, or chucking soup at a painting, is way down on my list of current UK problems. Actually, it doesn’t even make the list.
 
Both opinions are perfectly valid.
I just think the longer it goes the lesser likely it’ll happen, this court ruling will be crucial.

Anecdotal evidence I know but my Scottish mates think Sturgeon’s momentum is declining.

I’m not opposed to them going if they want to though, I think an independent England will go a long way to healing bitterness across the British Isles.
 
Absolutely agree with this. The UK needs to modernise, get rid of "born into" privilege, Lords, Earl's, Duke's, the old school tie snob system of jobs for the boys, it's not what you know but who etc.
One simply has to show one's face at the Grouse shoot or the Fox hunt.
Britain can never be a true Democracy while the head of state is Royalty, unelected with ludicrous wealth and influence.

The UK is in danger, look at the £ to US$ over the last 10 years.

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A steady decline....Where will this go, how far will the £ plummet ? ...Maybe parity or below.
Even against the Aussie $ it's down 35% over a 15 year period.

Things need to change. The old days of bowing and scraping to your "betters" in the UK should be dead and buried. The class system is broken, it needs to be scrapped. The top jobs for old Etonians needs to be changed.
The Brexit vote should of course never have happened, only idiots would put such a momentous decision into the hands of unqualified British "subjects".
You are being run by rich fools.
The pound is worth roughly, a packet of crisps in a bar.
 

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