gooner6729 said:Skashion said:gooner6729 said:The results?
Their league has the highest average gates in Europe. Ticket prices are affordable. They have terraces filled with the type of young fans we have priced out. Their clubs live within their means and are not dragged down by excessive debt. The atmosphere still resembles a football atmosphere. Their clubs produce more talent than ours. Certain clubs (Bayern) are more successful than others, but its a far more open and interesting league than ours.
and a lack of success in Europe. A country with eighty million people has six European Cup/Champions League wins with Bayern having four of those wins. This versus three countries of sixty million people with the following:
Spain, 13
Italy, 12
England, 11
Also, the Netherlands, a country of seventeen million people have six as well and Portugal with ten million people have four.
True, but their game is healthier than the one in Spain,Italy or England and they care about stuff we all seem to have forgotten about like the future of the game, welfare of the fans and healthy clubs. Historically they also have better national sides.
I also reckon their clubs will become more dominant once FFP kicks in. The Germans play it by the book. You also can't see Spanish clubs getting the type of government funding they have previously relied on now the Germans basically control their economy.
10 of the 13 Spanish wins were by Real Madrid and the bulk of those were under the virtual stewardship of General Franco. Nice, I bet they are dead proud of that.
I wouldn't say that European club trophies are a good sign of how well a countries football is. Let's face it, it's normally the countries where teams spend more money on foreign players that do well (especially in the last 25 years). A better sign would be how that countries national team does, as that will show how they are building their own players, and their own youth system. By that measure I'd say the Germans weren't that bad!CBlue said:gooner6729 said:Skashion said:and a lack of success in Europe. A country with eighty million people has six European Cup/Champions League wins with Bayern having four of those wins. This versus three countries of sixty million people with the following:
Spain, 13
Italy, 12
England, 11
Also, the Netherlands, a country of seventeen million people have six as well and Portugal with ten million people have four.
True, but their game is healthier than the one in Spain,Italy or England and they care about stuff we all seem to have forgotten about like the future of the game, welfare of the fans and healthy clubs. Historically they also have better national sides.
I also reckon their clubs will become more dominant once FFP kicks in. The Germans play it by the book. You also can't see Spanish clubs getting the type of government funding they have previously relied on now the Germans basically control their economy.
10 of the 13 Spanish wins were by Real Madrid and the bulk of those were under the virtual stewardship of General Franco. Nice, I bet they are dead proud of that.
Another fact that you've totally fucked up on.
http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,1471100,00.html
http://tensport.com.au/news/newsarticles/Football-German-football-HQ-raided-in-corruption-probe.htm
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/15022...sburg-owners-volkswagen-corruption-claim.html
Scareye said:I have no problem with fans celebrating winning a game. I do have a problem with corporate knobheads who have no understanding of what it means to support a football club, shouting United United as they walk through obviously gutted real fans.
I have never been as tempted to resort to violence after a game as I was leaving that place. Plastic twats!!!!!!!!!
MCC said:JamesMCFC said:T_Bone said:I've tried to possess that fat fucking ****'s mind as he delivers himself to being a twat. It aint possible,
Keep pissing myself laughing at that guy in the bottom left corner with the teeth
Ray Parlour`s son getting involved also.