Arsenal - Post match thread

I just don't understand why people back him in anything.

I dont believe anyone is any more, certainly not me.

That said, its equally important to not just lay the blame for everything at his door when its clear, other factors have also helped see us where we are today position wise in the league.
 
Some if his more fervent disciples were no such thing imo, their cult like support of Manuel was there to cloak their hatred for his predecessor

Is every single post of yours going to include the same old cheap shot?

You do also realise that the above could be turned 180 and directed equally against yourself yes?

You have been consistent of your dislike for Pellegrini's tactical approach I will give you that and to a large extent, you and a few others have been proven to be correct although i still think the players have yet again let a lot of people down, just as they did with Mancini once the end for him was becoming clear.
 
Is every single post of yours going to include the same old cheap shot?

You do also realise that the above could be turned 180 and directed equally against yourself yes?

You have been consistent of your dislike for Pellegrini's tactical approach I will give you that and to a large extent, you and a few others have been proven to be correct although i still think the players have yet again let a lot of people down, just as they did with Mancini once the end for him was becoming clear.
It's not a cheap shot. When those who stick up for Pellegrini irrespective of where he's leaving us say something about those who warned where we were headed, where's your cheap shot comments to them?

The fans who saw what was coming have NOT been waiting for 3 years for this to happen to prove themselves correct and to stick one to Pellegrini, they/we've all been dreading this scenario and the nightmare is now turning to reality. If we are effectively relegated from the Champions League like many feared, what say you then? It was just a lucky guess on those fans behalves?
 
I dont believe anyone is any more, certainly not me.

That said, its equally important to not just lay the blame for everything at his door when its clear, other factors have also helped see us where we are today position wise in the league.

They certainly have but how do you judge players who are playing under someone like that, in that system, some for several years ?

I mean look at DeBruyne. How much is he worth as a winger in the 442 type system City play ? Imagine Pellegrini stayed & lets say we signed Lewendowski to play next to Aguero.

How popular would DeBruyne be, after 30 odd games on the wing ? How would his form be ? Like Silva's perhaps ? Or Nasri ?

If Yaya Toure was a deep playmaker in a 5 man midfield, would he be shit & we're glad to get rid of him, or would he be reinvented & brilliant ?

Would Mangala be shit if Simeone had been coaching him to play in Atletico's back 4 ? Would he be letting people go at corners ?

Could Delph have stepped up like Fernando is doing if he was playing with the Ferns regularly in a 3 rather than on the wing ?

Imo it's very difficult for the players, playing under this man & we are seeing most of them at their worst, rather than at their best.

Most, if not all of them, are imo either good, very good, excellent or fantastic. Under Pellegrini, most are average or below, with one or two outstanding moments here & there. Some have become write offs.

I wish all could have had a 'demo' under a proper manager. It may be that we wi sack a few who might have been pretty good for us.
 
I see we have now been relegated from the CL.

Even though we haven't because the season isnt over, we have been relegated.

Failed to qualify, if it happens that is doesn't sound as bad as relegated does it so I can see why its suddenly being trotted out.
 
Rotten was just an analogy, but I take your point and would say degradation would be a more accurate analogy.

I watched the after match shindig again last night and I truly felt/feel sorry for Manuel. In that moment I think it suddenly dawned on him that the fans saw his tenure completely different to how he did and proved this by mostly declining the invitation to say a final farewell to him. He's a good man and deserved better but he bought yesterday on himself as that match perfectly summarised the criticisms which have been levelled against him over the last 3 wasted years.

Some if his more fervent disciples were no such thing imo, their cult like support of Manuel was there to cloak their hatred for his predecessor and they completely missed the point that from the day Mancini was sacked someone had to become our new manager and Manuel was up there with the best available. What happened to him once he rocked up to the Etihad, fuck knows but he certainly didn't play this brand of reckless football whilst he was in Spain that's for sure.

What he said prior to our CL semi against Real perfectly sums up how tactically stunted he was at City 'Everyone talks about tactics, but big games are won by special players not tactics'. Really Manuel?

Perhaps this explains why everyone went home straight after the final whistle and left him to address an almost empty stadium.
The fans verdict was obvious and as you say I think he will have probably been surprised and hurt with the reaction but you can't say its wrong. If the supporters of the club aren't happy then the club must have gone backwards. I am not sure whether the public face of Pellegrini represented the real Pellegrini or a manager who struggled to express himself in English, but he looked out of his depth .

You must have been very insightful to identify traces of weakness in Pellegrini's opening season. At the start of this season it looked like the old City was back and that injuries knocked us off course, but that is when a manager is tested and you see the commitment of the squad to what he is trying to do.

Other groups of players like Leicesters and Spurs are committed and enthusiastic so i don't think there is any issue of modern day footballers not caring its just a question of whether a manager has credible ideas which players can buy into. I know I have gone on and on about it but playing Toure must have baffled the players in the dressing room and really turned them off. "WTF are you doing" would be my thought. "How are we supposed to compete and win the midfield battles etc"

Anyway we are in good hands. And will sharpen the appetite of fans and players
 
They certainly have but how do you judge players who are playing under someone like that, in that system, some for several years ?

I mean look at DeBruyne. How much is he worth as a winger in the 442 type system City play ? Imagine Pellegrini stayed & lets say we signed Lewendowski to play next to Aguero.

How popular would DeBruyne be, after 30 odd games on the wing ? How would his form be ? Like Silva's perhaps ? Or Nasri ?

If Yaya Toure was a deep playmaker in a 5 man midfield, would he be shit & we're glad to get rid of him, or would he be reinvented & brilliant ?

Would Mangala be shit if Simeone had been coaching him to play in Atletico's back 4 ? Would he be letting people go at corners ?

Could Delph have stepped up like Fernando is doing if he was playing with the Ferns regularly in a 3 rather than on the wing ?

Imo it's very difficult for the players, playing under this man & we are seeing most of them at their worst, rather than at their best.

Most, if not all of them, are imo either good, very good, excellent or fantastic. Under Pellegrini, most are average or below, with one or two outstanding moments here & there. Some have become write offs.

I wish all could have had a 'demo' under a proper manager. It may be that we wi sack a few who might have been pretty good for us.

He isnt staying though is he because he has been sacked.

Had he been staying, trust me, I and many others would also be wanting him gone at this juncture.

Shit season in the league, absolutely crap and we differ in that I also blame certain players almost downing tools, age, injuries as well as the manager and some absolute brain farts on is part but its done, we can still hopefully get top 4 although its now out of our hands and my thoughts are to the summer, who comes in, who goes and starting afresh under arguably the best in the business.
 
I don't know what made me more depressed, the players playing much better and still lost or that we fell to the same old mistakes of losing control in midfield and individual errors again.

Can only pray that West Ham cared about the EL spot enough to do a job against the rags and we gave an even more improved performance at Swansea.

But still, thank you Pellegrini. In spite of his obvious limitations, I think most of the time he did try his best. For that he would have my good wishes, even though he won't be missed. Just as I wouldn't miss Mancini either, despite him taking us to the first PL title in 40 something years.


I don't know what made me more depressed, the players playing much better and still lost or that we fell to the same old mistakes of losing control in midfield and individual errors again.
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We didn't lose ffs
 
We haven't missed out on top 4 because of yesterday. I actually didn't mind our play and set up. My main grip would be after about an hour I turned to my cousin and called what sub needed to be made. Why did the corpse then wait until we have conceded which was coming before he makes the same sub I called before in enough time to save the game. If I can call it how on earth can a man paid millions not realise it. Mind boggling.
 
Tell you what, the lap of honour was a bag of shit. Joe came over and showed a lot of love, but most just walked round. Sergio just looked fed up, not clapping, just staring at the fans. He seemed embarassed.
 

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