Arsenal thread 2012/13

TCIB said:
I feel he was respectful towards you.

He said he kept quiet after the meeting to keep it calm. He has waited to see if Arsenal move things along it seems and they simply have not.
They had plenty of time to start putting the feelers out for prospective buyers imo.

I feel your club should have made a statement earlier and not been forced to by RVP regarding his position.
Quite simply put, Arsenal have instigated this situation in order to make some money whilst leaving the player to take the stick, again.

And this comes from a bloke who hates vP more than most.
 
am41410 said:
blueinsa said:
am41410 said:
It's the way he's gone about it that stings. I've been lurking here for a long time and one thing that always confused me was RVP's reputation. A lot of you guys don't think too highly of him as a person, calling him arrogant, a c*nt and stuff. I never understood it until I read that statement yesterday. It was completely unnecessary and done in such a way as to make his position untenable. It's become messy and public and that's his doing, not the club's.

Dont be so naive mate.

Arsenal knew full well he had no intention of signing and that he wanted out. The signings of Giroud and Podolski tell you that.

Instead of pre-empting the situation and saying they would not be offering him a contract and would be selling him, they cleverly hang him out to dry in front of the fans and make him out to be the **** in all this.

Of course, you gooners lap it up.

Have you all forgot how the football world works?
Arsenal did pre-empt the situation for once. It's clear from his statement that the club were going to hold him to his contract which we would have been well within our rights to do. They can't do that now. It's just maddening to think that RVP's basically turned around and stuck two fingers up at the club who are still paying his wages, and the manager who stuck by him though all kinds of injuries, poor form and that rape scandal of a few years back.

Put it this way, how did it feel when Carlos Tevez publicly humiliated your manager and disrespected your club by refusing to get off that bench in Munich? What did you think of him after that?

You do have to wonder about RVP's injury record, the medical team at Arsenal seem to be terrible, look how long Wiltshire has been out, and they seem to have a lot more players than any other team with bad leg breaks.
 
The Future's Blue said:
TCIB said:
I feel he was respectful towards you.

He said he kept quiet after the meeting to keep it calm. He has waited to see if Arsenal move things along it seems and they simply have not.
They had plenty of time to start putting the feelers out for prospective buyers imo.

I feel your club should have made a statement earlier and not been forced to by RVP regarding his position.
Quite simply put, Arsenal have instigated this situation in order to make some money whilst leaving the player to take the stick, again.

And this comes from a bloke who hates vP more than most.


Thank's for the tl;dr.

If they can't see it then tough fucking shit for them, i hate dumb people more than anything.

If i was their board i would be pissing myself at how easy it is to dupe the fan's.
 
They could be royally fooked if this rumoured Qatar/Spurs story is true. With a loaded Spurs, loaded City, loaded Chelsea, and persistent United, who would drop out of the top four for Arsenal?
 
Another well balanced piece from James Lawton. I suppose it makes a refreshing change from his thinly veiled attacks on Mario.

Robin van Persie's almost formal defection to Manchester City is only sinister and depressing if you still hold out any hope that there will ever again be something vaguely resembling a level playing field at the top of English football.

Or if you cling to the idea that Uefa's Financial Fair Play regulations have more than a snowflake's chance in hell of producing any genuine bite once the corporate lawyers of City and Chelsea have done some of their best work.

Indeed, Van Persie's impending departure – behind the usual platitudes about his need to find a more competitive environment – is not only a fresh denuding of Arsenal; it has also made theme still more vulnerable to a hostile takeover bid from Uzbek oligarch Alisher Usmanov.

Usmanov, having passed the Premier League's fit and proper persons regulation on the way to a 30 per cent holding of Arsenal shares, seemed more than anything set on improving the climate for such a move when he effectively trashed the current business model of American owner Stan Kroenke.

Usmanov agonises over the plight of manager Arsène Wenger, who polishes the diamonds, then sees them disappear – mostly into the swag bag of the new reigning champions City.

The near certainty of Van Persie following Samir Nasri, Kolo Touré and Gaël Clichy to east Manchester, is guaranteed to cause Wenger almost as much pain as the growing impact of his great protégé Cesc Fabregas for both Barcelona and Spain.

Wenger's torment simply deepens in intensity. For a little while, he refused to face the growing futility of his attempt to preside over a financially sane business plan while at the same time grooming a quality of player to retain Arsenal's foothold among the elite of English and European football.

Now he has to accept that the enterprise is pretty much on par with attempting to climb Mont Blanc in carpet slippers.

Usmanov scorns the idea that Arsenal can continue to behave responsibly at the bank and competitively on the field – and, with a publicity machine that in the past has worked prodigiously to enhance his reputation, he is no doubt planning a campaign guaranteed to exploit the growing exasperation of Arsenal fans.

The loss of Van Persie carries the same desperate implications that came with the departures of Fabregas and Nasri. Wenger swore that he could keep the players he saw as the future of the club, then found himself scrambling desperately to fill some of the empty spaces in the last days of the transfer window.

The Van Persie affair has the feeling of the end of something. For so much of last season the Dutchman seemed like one of Wenger's last links with the days when he could fashion players to compete in the very highest company, and the burden Van Persie carried so brilliantly at times was all the heavier with the injury to Jack Wilshere.

Now Van Persie's gift of renewal has been withdrawn. He is about to become the latest possession of City, the champions and buyers of almost everything they fancy.

It's funny, because I don't remember him decrying the lack of a level playing field when Arsenal and the other members of the cartel formerly known as 'the big 4' were carving things up for themselves. I also don't remember him using words like sinister when Wenger talked openly about how much he admired Shaun Wright-Phillips as a player, in a clumsy attempt to unsettle him. I wonder whether he saw Arsenal's plundering of Southampton's Crown Jewels as 'depressing'. I expect not.

Instead of looking down his nose at us with evident distaste perhaps he could ask why, in spite of our largesse towards Arsenal over the last three years, they have conspicuously failed to re-invest that money in playing staff, whilst simultaneously charging their fans more than any other club in World Football and continuing to reward the shareholders generously.

Perhaps he could look at Arsenal, as much as any other club, as being responsible for creating the monster of modern football, which they now seem so aggrieved by.

City are the symptom, not the cause of the greed that spawned the Premier League and the Champions League. I'm sure that David Dein didn't even contemplate Manchester City when sat with his fellow directors at those G14 meetings he used to attend where they would talk about maximising their clubs' wealth at the expense of others. I'm sure he didn't concern himself with us when he used the Champions League money that his club used to get each year to keep clubs like us and Villa at arms length so he could build a shiny new stadium.

And why should he? But don't expect me to give a fuck about his club now because they've fallen foul of their own creation, although now we're at the top table, unlike Arsenal, we have no intention of giving our place up.

Vive la difference.
 
And don't forget Gord, Wenger was a major voice in trying to get the Premier League cut down to what was it 16/18 teams or something ? Totally ignoring any positives that had for 'lesser' clubs, hypocritical and selfish wanker.
 
Well said gdm and Harry.

Just read some more of their forums and my conclusion is...

Babies, silly little children.

They cry about loyalty as if Henry, Clichy, Nasri and Flamini left in different circumstances.

You payed what 2.7m for him ?. I would say last season alone he payed you back in spades financially as no way would you be even close to cl spots.
30mil is it you get for it ?.

He scored a penalty that helped you to the FA cup in his first season with you.
He was your top goal scorer in 06-07 with 13 goals.

He then suffered niggling injuries (his first for you btw was a tackle on him that broke his foot) and was out most of the next season.

08-09 He scored 11 in the league (20 in all) and was still your top scorer (striker issue STILL not arrested by Wenger)

09-10 He was promised more ambition would be shown which helped secure his new contract.
Not one gooner can argue any ambition was shown then, not one.
Would you give people who basically duped you another chance regardless of what the plans were ? no ! but he was going to if you showed more interest in success this year.
Obviously it is a case of to little to late as his actions say clearly.

Some of you still even claim Nasri and Clichy were bench warmers for us ( i can quote the thread on arsenal forums if you like).
To that i say check some stats and educate yourself, we shall accept your appology later.

Time after time your board pull the wool over your eyes and you take it like fools.
They try this gagging crap all the sodding time and you still refuse to accept it.
Instead you blame anyone but those culpable, denial is pathetic.

"rvp should have said nothing" "he owes us"

These players leave you because your not a top top club anymore like it or not you are not viewed as a top top club now.
They trusted Wengers way's and now they have seen it does not work.
You are a very good team on your day, nothing more and your results and league position reflect that.

You moan when they say nothing and wait for the board to act, who do so at the last minute, and you moan when they tell you what the situation is.

Grow up and stop blaming City, next doors dog etc for your own mismanagement.
RVP told you the score, he was asked to keep quiet untill the board sorted stuff out.
He waited and waited, then he see's spin by Arsenal in the papers "City tapped him up" and other unsubstanciated crap aimed to deflect attention from their own failings.

Anyone else would do the same thing if they saw this happening.
He saw the spin put on Nasri and prevented Arsenal from doing the same to himself.

You can only look at your apathetic selves and money motivated board.

Oh yeah i do not see many of you questioning Wengers massive pay.
Before you say he did well financially for us, what is he a financial manager or football coach ? what is the board for if not this ?.
 
Alot of Arsenal fans are trying to claim that City have 'stolen' their kit from 2005.

They're are truly hilarious and is pathetic that their trying to win these small victories.

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