Arsenal Thread 2014/15

[stony]

the key to 2nd place is the fa cup final and arsenal will rest players after the united game they need that silverware to keep the fans happy and the game vs the scum is a no lose game for manchester city we only need 1 point from 2 games for 3rd so if united beat them we will be 2nd placed team

I want second. Arsenal fans have been getting giddy about finishing above us. They seem to think that the natural order has been restored. Same as the rags when they celebrated winning the "We were above City for two weeks" cup.

 

[eversince 76]

There are a lot of Arsenalfans saying they don't care finishing 2nd or 3rd. Can understand that with the attitude being 'just top 4 will do' for over a decade.
As for Wenger whining again about Swansea playing too defensively, maybe he should replay our game vs Arsenal in January.

There is always something about these former so-called top 4 that is so annoying ... Can't be they just miss their 'Super Sunday' now do they?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The Swansea game reminded me a bit of us. They were cranking up the pressure, forced loads of saves and got endless corners from which they had no threat. Then Swansea go up the other end and score the only chance they had in the last half an hour.

Hope they win every game from here on in as they deserve 3rd – miles better team than the rags.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Does finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th have any influence on your seeding for the Champion League draw? I know the champions are automatically in pot 1, but what about the rest?

 

[afc16]

There are a lot of Arsenalfans saying they don't care finishing 2nd or 3rd. Can understand that with the attitude being 'just top 4 will do' for over a decade.
As for Wenger whining again about Swansea playing too defensively, maybe he should replay our game vs Arsenal in January.

There is always something about these former so-called top 4 that is so annoying ... Can't be they just miss their 'Super Sunday' now do they?

no, the reason is simply theres no difference. if you don't win it then 2nd or 3rd...who cares and who's gonna remember. 3rd would be progress, and great after the first half of the season we had. i also think the fact we have a chance of winning the fa cup is also clouding it, as when you have that to look forward to are you really gonna care if you finish 2nd or 3rd in the league? all that matters is we don't finish 4th, as finishing below utd would be gutting as we've been much better then them in terms of performance even if not for points. also means qualifying again for CL.

on the other hand like city if finishing as high in the table was the only target left then I'm sure we'd be fighting for that and would be a lot more bothered (I'm not having a dig by the way).

 

[afc16]

The Swansea game reminded me a bit of us. They were cranking up the pressure, forced loads of saves and got endless corners from which they had no threat. Then Swansea go up the other end and score the only chance they had in the last half an hour.

Hope they win every game from here on in as they deserve 3rd – miles better team than the rags.

although I'm annoyed as always when losing a game, i'm not overly frustrated as it really was one of those games, and we got hit by the most suckerish of punches you can get in a football game. it was also the type of game we've generally got rid of recently - it used to happen to us week in week out where we'd dominate then concede to the other teams first attack and lose.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

There are a lot of Arsenalfans saying they don't care finishing 2nd or 3rd. Can understand that with the attitude being 'just top 4 will do' for over a decade.
As for Wenger whining again about Swansea playing too defensively, maybe he should replay our game vs Arsenal in January.

There is always something about these former so-called top 4 that is so annoying ... Can't be they just miss their 'Super Sunday' now do they?

no, the reason is simply theres no difference. if you don't win it then 2nd or 3rd...who cares and who's gonna remember. 3rd would be progress, and great after the first half of the season we had. i also think the fact we have a chance of winning the fa cup is also clouding it, as when you have that to look forward to are you really gonna care if you finish 2nd or 3rd in the league? all that matters is we don't finish 4th, as finishing below utd would be gutting as we've been much better then them in terms of performance even if not for points. also means qualifying again for CL.

on the other hand like city if finishing as high in the table was the only target left then I'm sure we'd be fighting for that and would be a lot more bothered (I'm not having a dig by the way).

Best of luck in finishing above the rags. 4th is a potential nightmare spot as you have to play the CL qualifier in the middle of transfer silly season and pre season tours. Really hope you get 3rd behind us – as you say you are miles better than them.

 

[terraloon]

There are a lot of Arsenalfans saying they don't care finishing 2nd or 3rd. Can understand that with the attitude being 'just top 4 will do' for over a decade.
As for Wenger whining again about Swansea playing too defensively, maybe he should replay our game vs Arsenal in January.

There is always something about these former so-called top 4 that is so annoying ... Can't be they just miss their 'Super Sunday' now do they?

no, the reason is simply theres no difference. if you don't win it then 2nd or 3rd...who cares and who's gonna remember. 3rd would be progress, and great after the first half of the season we had. i also think the fact we have a chance of winning the fa cup is also clouding it, as when you have that to look forward to are you really gonna care if you finish 2nd or 3rd in the league? all that matters is we don't finish 4th, as finishing below utd would be gutting as we've been much better then them in terms of performance even if not for points. also means qualifying again for CL.

on the other hand like city if finishing as high in the table was the only target left then I'm sure we'd be fighting for that and would be a lot more bothered (I'm not having a dig by the way).

There is a vast difference in finishing 2nd as opposed to 3rd. Ok no one will remember in relation to who finished below 1st but to the clubs the monies first coming from the PL are the odd £000 more but in relation to the CL monies it's a fair chunk more.

For me the question is who has developed from last season . Without doubt Chelsea and probably Utd have kicked on whereas we probably won't differ in our opinions a year on with regard to City and indeed Liverpool but the real strange one is Arsenal.

To listen to Wenger he thinks they have improved to listen to a section of their supporters they agree with his assessment but have they really?

We hear about how clubs approach them and in truth they are so predictable that it makes you laugh.

Last night just about everything goes through the middle or on the occasions when they get wide they more often than not cut inside where the opposition strength is

Sanchez has been a plus without doubt but two years in Ozil looks far too lightweight and only does it in flashes. Walcott isn't going to get any better and Welbeck is, well playing as he always has.

After 3 or so games we were told that Chambers was the real deal yet I doubt any of the clubs in the PL would even offer A half of what they paid Southampton for what was a reserve player.

Osppiña isn't the real deal and I though Nevilles assessment of Swanseas goal was spot on

I said earlier in this thread about pressure games and indeed Wenger for me yesterday was typical Arsenal in their approach to such a game they clearly paid little attention to Swansea and they came up short.Again.

So Arsenal will in all likelihood finish with less points than last season they will face far more of a challenge at Wembley from Villa than they did from Hull so back to my question have they really improved from last season or is it all an illusion?

 

[afc16]

There are a lot of Arsenalfans saying they don't care finishing 2nd or 3rd. Can understand that with the attitude being 'just top 4 will do' for over a decade.
As for Wenger whining again about Swansea playing too defensively, maybe he should replay our game vs Arsenal in January.

There is always something about these former so-called top 4 that is so annoying ... Can't be they just miss their 'Super Sunday' now do they?

no, the reason is simply theres no difference. if you don't win it then 2nd or 3rd...who cares and who's gonna remember. 3rd would be progress, and great after the first half of the season we had. i also think the fact we have a chance of winning the fa cup is also clouding it, as when you have that to look forward to are you really gonna care if you finish 2nd or 3rd in the league? all that matters is we don't finish 4th, as finishing below utd would be gutting as we've been much better then them in terms of performance even if not for points. also means qualifying again for CL.

on the other hand like city if finishing as high in the table was the only target left then I'm sure we'd be fighting for that and would be a lot more bothered (I'm not having a dig by the way).

There is a vast difference in finishing 2nd as opposed to 3rd. Ok no one will remember in relation to who finished below 1st but to the clubs the monies first coming from the PL are the odd £000 more but in relation to the CL monies it's a fair chunk more.

For me the question is who has developed from last season . Without doubt Chelsea and probably Utd have kicked on whereas we probably won't differ in our opinions a year on with regard to City and indeed Liverpool but the real strange one is Arsenal.

To listen to Wenger he thinks they have improved to listen to a section of their supporters they agree with his assessment but have they really?

We hear about how clubs approach them and in truth they are so predictable that it makes you laugh.

Last night just about everything goes through the middle or on the occasions when they get wide they more often than not cut inside where the opposition strength is

Sanchez has been a plus without doubt but two years in Ozil looks far too lightweight and only does it in flashes. Walcott isn't going to get any better and Welbeck is, well playing as he always has.

After 3 or so games we were told that Chambers was the real deal yet I doubt any of the clubs in the PL would even offer A half of what they paid Southampton for what was a reserve player.

Osppiña isn't the real deal and I though Nevilles assessment of Swanseas goal was spot on

I said earlier in this thread about pressure games and indeed Wenger for me yesterday was typical Arsenal in their approach to such a game they clearly paid little attention to Swansea and they came up short.Again.

So Arsenal will in all likelihood finish with less points than last season they will face far more of a challenge at Wembley from Villa than they did from Hull so back to my question have they really improved from last season or is it all an illusion?

some very good points raised. i read something earlier that made a lot of sense - points is a great way of judging yourself against others but its almost useless for judging yourself against yourself. for example i think 7 or so years ago 80 points won the league. a few years later 80 points would have got you 3rd. so does that mean you didn't do any better when you got 3rd with 80 points compared to when you won the title with 80 points? points can only be judged relative to other teams.

we have improved for the simple fact we should finish 3rd and possibly 2nd - last few years we've just about scraped 4th. so regardless of points, we have improved relative to the competition, same as utd. we've also improved in direct games against the other big teams. liverpool have definitely regressed.

also another great point made in a blog today is that everyone only mentions plan b when you lose the odd time. we didn't win almost every game in 2015 without having a plan b - in fact its because we DID that we won so many games. a bit like the old zonal marking - you go 15 games hardly conceding a goal yet one game you do concede a goal its suddenly because of zonal marking - forgetting about fact that previous 15 games the zonal marking worked very well.

agree with ospina, so does every other fan i know. we need a top goalie.

chambers was always brought for future potential, which he has. only reason he played so much was because we had loads of injuries and to be fair he did quite well at the start.

pressure games - again this only comes out when we lose. what about all the pressure games we had when we didn't lose? liverpool was a pressure game as at that time they were still fighting for 4th, chelsea was a pressure game, hull last week was a pressure game, in fact almost every game we've played in 2015 has been a pressure game as we were fighting for top 4. swansea in fact was probably the least pressure game as top 4 has been confirmed. there was nothing wrong with our tactics - we were camped in their half pretty much whole game, had loads of chances but unfortunetely it just didn't go for us, it was one of those nights. they then score with their first real attempt.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

the key to 2nd place is the fa cup final and arsenal will rest players after the united game they need that silverware to keep the fans happy and the game vs the scum is a no lose game for manchester city we only need 1 point from 2 games for 3rd so if united beat them we will be 2nd placed team

I want second. Arsenal fans have been getting giddy about finishing above us. They seem to think that the natural order has been restored. Same as the rags when they celebrated winning the "We were above City for two weeks" cup.

arsenal are just a team of nothingness.every season do fuck all but they know how to charge.
pretty soon they will raid another little club and sign a really fast,young winger who turns out to be another well spoken, injury prone hyped to the eyeballs dazzling transfer sensation...
its all so Peter Marinello with arsenal and its fucking boring.
yawn.