Arsenal Thread - 2022/23

[Musselburgh Blue]

They were exceptional the other night against West Ham. Credit where it's due. Another poster eluded to how relentless they were even at 3-1 up. They simply suffocated West Ham even when they were home and dry. It's the intensity I'd like to see from us a bit more often to be honest.

Odegaard is a sublime player in the final third and sees eye of the needle passes, and when you have the pace, movement, energy and tricky of Saka and Martinelli in the wide areas alongside him - they will score goals against anyone. They are tight at the back as well and don't give much away.

That said, their next 4 league games are Brighon (A), Newcastle (H), Spurs (A) and United (H) - that's a tricky set of fixtures and points are bound to be dropped. We need maximum points tonight and against Everton, as we then hit our own horrendous run of fixtures in January (Chelsea x2, United and Spurs).

A hell of a lot will be determined over the next few weeks IMO.

 

[dhruvblue]

They were exceptional the other night against West Ham. Credit where it's due. Another poster eluded to how relentless they were even at 3-1 up. They simply suffocated West Ham even when they were home and dry. It's the intensity I'd like to see from us a bit more often to be honest.

Odegaard is a sublime player in the final third and sees eye of the needle passes, and when you have the pace, movement, energy and tricky of Saka and Martinelli in the wide areas alongside him - they will score goals against anyone. They are tight at the back as well and don't give much away.

That said, their next 4 league games are Brighon (A), Newcastle (H), Spurs (A) and United (H) - that's a tricky set of fixtures and points are bound to be dropped. We need maximum points tonight and against Everton, as we then hit our own horrendous run of fixtures in January (Chelsea x2, United and Spurs).

A hell of a lot will be determined over the next few weeks IMO.

After that spurs game we will have Carabao cup semi finals and then we will have spurs again. We have a brutal fixture list. And still we wouldn't have faced iinform table toppers Arsenal. Unless we reverse our Tottenham losing streak, this could be bad for us. We will have to be near perfect at least till we have placed spurs in early Feb

 

[Deepest Blue]

If that was the case how did Liverpool win it for the first time in 30 years? How did you win it for the first time in decades with Mancini as manager? How did Leicester City win it. Teams can win the league without recent precedent.

People keep saying 'Arsenal always bottle the title' even though every player and the manager is not associated with what happened among previous Arsenal campaigns. Peoples perceptions of Arsenal are still influenced by previous years, not appreciating the rapid change that Arteta has ushered in playing personnel, culture ect.

Even when West Ham scored. I wasnt phased, I knew we would still win. Brighton away this week.........well win this too

I never said that you would not win the PL just stated that some more experienced Managers are past masters at closing out seasons and walking away with the honours. Pep, Ferguson and Klopp all know how to win big titles not just matches. Maybe in time Arteta will join that club-he seems likely to do so in due course but he will have a hell of a fight on his hands.
Liverpool all but won the league on a couple of occasions before they finally got over the line.
Mancini’s City did their best to blow it with some of their performances in the second half of the season and relied on a United collapse to allow them to win it in the last seconds of the season whereas Leicester were the beneficiaries of many other teams like City, United and Chelsea being in transition and yourselves and Spurs failing to take advantage.
To summarise I feel that you will definitely make Top 4 and may well be there or thereabouts at the end but believe me the pressure is now going to ramp up and there may not be enough experience and depth in your squad and management to go the whole way this time.
Time will tell.

 

[Gumzy97]

They were exceptional the other night against West Ham. Credit where it's due. Another poster eluded to how relentless they were even at 3-1 up. They simply suffocated West Ham even when they were home and dry. It's the intensity I'd like to see from us a bit more often to be honest.

Odegaard is a sublime player in the final third and sees eye of the needle passes, and when you have the pace, movement, energy and tricky of Saka and Martinelli in the wide areas alongside him - they will score goals against anyone. They are tight at the back as well and don't give much away.

That said, their next 4 league games are Brighon (A), Newcastle (H), Spurs (A) and United (H) - that's a tricky set of fixtures and points are bound to be dropped. We need maximum points tonight and against Everton, as we then hit our own horrendous run of fixtures in January (Chelsea x2, United and Spurs).

A hell of a lot will be determined over the next few weeks IMO.

They will lose to united. United under ten hag are there cryptonite to their playstyle. Arsenal struggled with Uniteds counter in their previous game. Ten hag out tacticed Arteta. Hate to say but that united counter is lethal against high lines. That previous game was like watching City vs Liverpool at Anfield . Where Arsenal were City with all the possession then United were more clinical and dangerous with the long ball/counter

 

[bluemc1]

Martinelli and Saka will cause our high line a lot of problems, 2 very big games when we meet

 

[bluemc1]

If that was the case how did Liverpool win it for the first time in 30 years? How did you win it for the first time in decades with Mancini as manager? How did Leicester City win it. Teams can win the league without recent precedent.

People keep saying 'Arsenal always bottle the title' even though every player and the manager is not associated with what happened among previous Arsenal campaigns. Peoples perceptions of Arsenal are still influenced by previous years, not appreciating the rapid change that Arteta has ushered in playing personnel, culture ect.

Even when West Ham scored. I wasnt phased, I knew we would still win. Brighton away this week.........well win this too

I’m sure you mock Spurs as bottlers regardless of how many times the team has changed over 30 years
Regardless I think you’ve got a great side and have a very realistic chance of winning it, if I were you depth would be a concern but if you keep everyone or the majority then yep you’ve got a great chance

 

[Bantamgaz]

The thing is with Arsenal they are one loss from a complete collapse ........ just a feeling that come your game against them they will be behind ,...........

 

[Protein Junkie]

13 wins in fifteen is impressive no matter who the club is. The pressure will increase and it will interesting to see how they cope.

 

[KingGeorge]

They’ve got Brighton Away then Spurs, Newcastle and Man Utd next 4 games. That’s a tough run

I think Arsenal loses one of their next two games.

 

[dhruvblue]

So they have Jesus Saka Msrtinelli Smith Rowe Nkietiah Andy now they want Felix and Mudryk. Not quite David vs Goliath eh or Underdog story they are selling?

 

[Jack Hackett]

So they have Jesus Saka Msrtinelli Smith Rowe Nkietiah Andy now they want Felix and Mudryk. Not quite David vs Goliath eh or Underdog story they are selling?

It suits us to downplay our chances and to emphasise yours…after all, our aim has always only ever been top 4 this season ;)

 

[Goone0304]

The thing is with Arsenal they are one loss from a complete collapse ........ just a feeling that come your game against them they will be behind ,...........

its no more than a cliche.

Gary Neville also dealt another cliche saying we still have defensive problems even though we have conceded the least goals bar Newcastle. He also cited the generic 'vulnerable from set pieces' line. Even though we have one of the better records with regards to conceding set piece goals, and we dont even concede many goals to begin with having conceded 12 in 15 games. But aroun 10 years ago we were bullied by Stoke and Delap throw ins so its kind of just stuck the 'Arsenal vulnerable from set pieces' even though were not.

Were not one loss away from a collapse. Not even close

 

[Goone0304]

So they have Jesus Saka Martinelli Smith Rowe Nkietiah Andy now they want Felix and Mudryk. Not quite David vs Goliath eh or Underdog story they are selling?

Ive been making this argument prior. There is a narrative Arsenal lack depth, and whilst this is true in some areas, its woefully not true in others. Our fullback options are White/Tomiyasu Zinchenko/Tierney. These fullbacks are more than good enough. White can also double as a centre half to back up Gabriel/Saliba, White can shit to centre half and Tomiyasu came in at RB.

As you mentioned if we get Mudyrk, we would have Murdyrk, Smith-Rowe, Vieira, and the underrated Nketiah on the bench to back up Martinelli, Odegaard, Saka, Jesus. Xhaka never gets injured or fatigued, so no worry their. The only real worry is Partey given we dont have a player who can replicate what he does. he is by far our most important player. But then Liverpool can hardly replace Fabinho, United Casemiro, and Kalvin Phillips is not anywhere near Rodri levels. Against lesser teams perhaps Phillips or Gundogan in the holding role can work, but against the top teams without Rodri, I imagine it will be a worry.

Our performances this year should not be a surprise. I cringed at the early season predictions by the likes of Gary Neville, Simon Jordan, Souness ect who pegged us for 6th.

 

[standupifyouhatemanu]

If our beloved blues don’t win I hope……….… The Geordies do

 

[KS55]

Most of the pundits talk in cliches. There is little analysis, just prejudice.

 

[Bantamgaz]

its no more than a cliche.

Gary Neville also dealt another cliche saying we still have defensive problems even though we have conceded the least goals bar Newcastle. He also cited the generic 'vulnerable from set pieces' line. Even though we have one of the better records with regards to conceding set piece goals, and we dont even concede many goals to begin with having conceded 12 in 15 games. But aroun 10 years ago we were bullied by Stoke and Delap throw ins so its kind of just stuck the 'Arsenal vulnerable from set pieces' even though were not.

Were not one loss away from a collapse. Not even close

We will see bud but history and recent one at that points to a collapse at some point :( .......... think the next month and Half will have a huge say on it

Brighton A
Newcastle H
Spurs A
Man U H

That’s a tough set of games upcoming

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

its no more than a cliche.

Gary Neville also dealt another cliche saying we still have defensive problems even though we have conceded the least goals bar Newcastle. He also cited the generic 'vulnerable from set pieces' line. Even though we have one of the better records with regards to conceding set piece goals, and we dont even concede many goals to begin with having conceded 12 in 15 games. But aroun 10 years ago we were bullied by Stoke and Delap throw ins so its kind of just stuck the 'Arsenal vulnerable from set pieces' even though were not.

Were not one loss away from a collapse. Not even close

No, yer not. There's more steel in the Arse this season, and it's only two games to lose for Arteta and two games to win for Pep, but I don't think it will materialise. it could be down to the two games we play each other but draws seem to be the obvious option so the gap remains the same. I don't mind an Arse title - it deprives Rags and Dippers and save the world from a media lovefest for the entire close season.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Even when West Ham scored. I wasnt phased, I knew we would still win. Brighton away this week.........well win this too

This more than anything confirms to me that this is all a bit of a laugh and a bit of fun in the early part of the season. We've been through three of the most brutal run-ins with an exceptional Liverpool team where even a draw would hand them the title. If you're looking up and down fixture lists with zen like calm then we are a long way away from the title. Let's see how you feel when you play us, Newcastle, Chelsea and Brighton with six games to play.

 

[flb]

I think we need to get this clear- Arsenal are the real deal this season , nobody thought Leicester would go on and win it , we will have to beat them twice in my opinion to snuff them out , their game v Newcastle is going to be very interesting indeed !
Of course I fancy City to make it three on the bounce , let’s just not underestimate them expecting them to drop a lot of points , because City will also !

 

[Protein Junkie]

its no more than a cliche.

Gary Neville also dealt another cliche saying we still have defensive problems even though we have conceded the least goals bar Newcastle. He also cited the generic 'vulnerable from set pieces' line. Even though we have one of the better records with regards to conceding set piece goals, and we dont even concede many goals to begin with having conceded 12 in 15 games. But aroun 10 years ago we were bullied by Stoke and Delap throw ins so its kind of just stuck the 'Arsenal vulnerable from set pieces' even though were not.

Were not one loss away from a collapse. Not even close

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