Arsenal Thread | 2024/25

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ArtetaTechnicalArea said:
Problem is though there are undefendable cases. Kovacic gets away with two leg crunchers on Odegaard and Rice. Webb later said Oliver didn't want to 'interfer' with the game by sending a player off.

Okay, so why doesn't Oliver apply the same leeway to Trossard? Why does Oliver send Trossard off for kicking the ball away which should be considered a far less offence than Kovacic going studs first into Odegaard and Rice?

We Arsenal fans know Oliver is going to apply the strictest standards to us while he shows latitude to other teams. The body of evidence Oliver is against Arsenal is enormous. Statistically Oliver is an outlier when it comes to issuance of red cards, yellow cards, penalties against Arsenal when compared to the average across the rest of the referees. Then there are numerous anecdotal cases that just add up to the point its undeniable. Too many decisions dont make sense and they are always against us. Oliver doesn't like Arsenal and he has no problem refereeing lie he doesn't like Arsenal.

He is getting barely any support for this decision. A textbook professional foul that is a yellow card, buy Oliver decides to upgrade to a red - he doesn't issue that red card to any other team, especially you
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Hey idiot.

Can you tell me why Trossard wasn't booked for the deliberate barge on Bernardo before deliberately booting the ball away to begin with?

Can you tell me why he allowed Walker to be pulled out of position, telling him to tell his teammates to calm down, to then not let him get back in position for you to take a quick free kick and ultimate equalise from.

Can you tell me why when your players were cheating for the millionth time with cramp, and Oliver had enough and said to Raya if you want the game stopped kick the ball out, only for Raya to not fully kick it out, City to gain possession and then the ref whistles to stop play when there wasn't a head injury.

Now last year Kovacic should have been sent off against Arsenal, we admit it and got away with one, you won the game and that was that. Why is it you ignore the several things that went for you in our game this season though? Spanner.
 
JackM said:
Just watched ref watch reviewing Arsenal full back red card v Wolves.
Their verdict was yellow only.
To me this was a player deliberately crunching an opponents leg with the ball nowhere in sight and an obvious red card.
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Some of these 'experts' seem to think that if it's a tactical foul then it's a yellow and that's that. Some of these tactical fouls are actually pretty dangerous and reckless, and could cause a serious injury.

If someone goes into the shin of a player no way near the ball... Let's be honest, why shouldn't that be a red card? It absolutely should be.

Reminds me of the Sane injury we had at Cardiff a few years back, where the guy took him out and got a yellow, and Sane was out with ankle ligament damage after rolling his ankle.

Going back a bit further, Arsenal used to do nothing but moan about physical teams like Stoke and Bolton. Now that they play like Stoke and Bolton, they're whining for the opposite reason. Ironically amusing.
 
mattcity5 said:
Some of these 'experts' seem to think that if it's a tactical foul then it's a yellow and that's that. Some of these tactical fouls are actually pretty dangerous and reckless, and could cause a serious injury.

If someone goes into the shin of a player no way near the ball... Let's be honest, why shouldn't that be a red card? It absolutely should be.

Reminds me of the Sane injury we had at Cardiff a few years back, where the guy took him out and got a yellow, and Sane was out with ankle ligament damage after rolling his ankle.

Going back a bit further, Arsenal used to do nothing but moan about physical teams like Stoke and Bolton. Now that they play like Stoke and Bolton, they're whining for the opposite reason. Ironically amusing.
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If a City player was sent off for that you'd be livid. It is a yellow, it is lower shin/ankle and he clips him. Wasn't high, wasn't studs up. A professional foul. The Cardiff one was studs up and higher so rubbish comparison
 
Chak19 said:
There is little sense in var decisions let's be honest, how do they explain not sending off Martinez for a two footed tackle last night ? they can't, it's all a bunch of crap.
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Communicating decisions and reasoning to everyone would help. I've not seen the Martinez tackle, but I agree that var has probably made it more difficult to take retrospective action. If you do, you're not only saying the ref got it wrong, but also the var too despite having a big telly and a rewind button. But it happens and there should be clear guidelines on that to go in such a case.

The grey area is in when it can and should step in, things like second yellows it absolutely should, and I'd argue that every booking should be double checked, as well as standardized timed allowances for taking a throw in or goal kick, but interpreting every challenge in a game would turn us into a slower game, more ad breaks, and probably eventually an egg shaped ball...

But regardless of that, I think we can all agree that responsibility for surrounding the referee, responsibility for typing out death threats, that's wrong regardless and should be dealt with as such. I have no doubt that referees get things wrong, I have no doubt that some have been influenced in various ways, and that a lack of transparency probably hurts the situation for everyone, maybe an independent body would help govern things more clearly.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
If a City player was sent off for that you'd be livid. It is a yellow, it is lower shin/ankle and he clips him. Wasn't high, wasn't studs up. A professional foul. The Cardiff one was studs up and higher so rubbish comparison
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He ran the risk. I don't think it's a rubbish comparison - it *could* have injured him.

I'm totally sure he didn't mean it this way, but it literally *is* studs up. Doherty's foot was planted, so could have caused an ankle injury.

It's madness that we've got to the point where people automatically assume that they'll only get a yellow if they do this.

(Ps. I'm being devils advocate here a bit, youre right I'd be annoyed if it went against one of ours also, but it's a fine line and I'd be slightly annoyed at our player also)

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mattcity5 said:
He ran the risk. I don't think it's a rubbish comparison - it *could* have injured him.

I'm totally sure he didn't mean it this way, but it literally *is* studs up. Doherty's foot was planted, so could have caused an ankle injury.

It's madness that we've got to the point where people automatically assume that they'll only get a yellow if they do this.

(Ps. I'm being devils advocate here a bit, youre right I'd be annoyed if it went against one of ours also, but it's a fine line and I'd be slightly annoyed at our player also)

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A lot of tackles "could" injure an opponent. That doesn't mean it is a red. A still picture as ever can make something look a million times worse. In real time, in real speed he's gone to clip him, happens most games and is a yellow card. The vast majority believe it is a yellow which has resulted in the uproar everywhere because it was such a poor decision. The game is going as it is, if that's a red then its pretty much gone.
 
The debate as to whether it should have been a yellow or a red is a sideshow to the real narrative being set by arsenal/their fans. But in any event, is now irrelevant.

They’re very public whingeing and moaning about all the bad/unjust refereeing decisions they get is the main point - just as they are about to play us.

Let’s see if it has any influence on how the game is refereed at the weekend.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
If a City player was sent off for that you'd be livid. It is a yellow, it is lower shin/ankle and he clips him. Wasn't high, wasn't studs up. A professional foul. The Cardiff one was studs up and higher so rubbish comparison
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If city plays for sent off for that the media would be spinning it in another way to why it was a red all the media social media on board with it being a red!
 
jitsubluedan said:
The debate as to whether it should have been a yellow or a red is a sideshow to the real narrative being set by arsenal/their fans. But in any event, is now irrelevant.

They’re very public whingeing and moaning about all the bad/unjust refereeing decisions they get is the main point - just as they are about to play us.

Let’s see if it has any influence on how the game is refereed at the weekend.
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Very good point.

And we know they'll go full-Stoke against us, especially on Haaland and on setpieces
 
waspish said:
If city plays for sent off for that the media would be spinning it in another way to why it was a red all the media social media on board with it being a red!
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I wouldn't have thought so, whist we feel we get a hard time, which we do on some aspects, the Rashford offside got a lot of exposure for the poor decision it was. I'd like to think something as wrong as that would be highlighted. You also have to see that Arsenal moan and moan and maybe why they get that attention. Pep never critisies the refs, as a club we never had released statements over poor decisions and we turn over and get our belly tickled. As a club if we shouted up more it might be highlighted more.
 
mattcity5 said:
He ran the risk. I don't think it's a rubbish comparison - it *could* have injured him.

I'm totally sure he didn't mean it this way, but it literally *is* studs up. Doherty's foot was planted, so could have caused an ankle injury.

It's madness that we've got to the point where people automatically assume that they'll only get a yellow if they do this.

(Ps. I'm being devils advocate here a bit, youre right I'd be annoyed if it went against one of ours also, but it's a fine line and I'd be slightly annoyed at our player also)

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It’s a clear red.

Studs up. High challenge. High risk of injury. Nowhere near the ball and no attempt to play the ball. Nailed on.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
I don't believe ankle height is high to be honest. A still image has made it look worse than it actually was, which was a clip. If we want reds for that then the game is very much dead
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The more I think about it, the more I think it's a great decisions and good for the game.

It's studs up and above the ankle. The ball is nowhere in sight. They can argue it was tactical and an attempt at a trip and soft, but he's stretching, leg extended fully, so not really in control.

Do we want players doing tactical fouls anyway? They get yellows for a slight tug sometimes now.

This decision is not outlawing tactical fouls, but it's saying if you get it wrong, it can be red. If it makes players think twice and be a bit more careful, and possibly not do tactical fouls, then that's good for the game. We don't want to see shit fouls like this to break up an attack 70 yards from goal, it's crap.
 
mattcity5 said:
The more I think about it, the more I think it's a great decisions and good for the game.

It's studs up and above the ankle. The ball is nowhere in sight. They can argue it was tactical and an attempt at a trip and soft, but he's stretching, leg extended fully, so not really in control.

Do we want players doing tactical fouls anyway? They get yellows for a slight tug sometimes now.

This decision is not outlawing tactical fouls, but it's saying if you get it wrong, it can be red. If it makes players think twice and be a bit more careful, and possibly not do tactical fouls, then that's good for the game. We don't want to see shit fouls like this to break up an attack 70 yards from goal, it's crap.
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