Arsenal v City Pre Match Discussion Thread

[Blue2112]

Unfortunately your post has been ignored by the Gooners on here. It is the case of telling them to F**** Off.

I know but there seems to be a few more here now than there was the other day so any new lurkers can be told too ;-)

As an outsider it is difficult to reply to a heartfelt post such as yours post that has been heralded by so many on here when many others are aiming a torrent of abuse towards your fans purely because of statements of a few no-nothings and johnny come latelys. Is it not Arsenal that has provided some well needed respite to you as City fans while standing toe to toe with the "rags" over a few years..including winning the title on their own patch in 2002.

I have seen Arsenal lose at Bradford,Wrexham,York and Walsall(at home) all bottom league clubs and others over the years. Always respected City fans over the years and you like us have had some awful numbers for games between us, I know I was there.

I respect you have no sympathy for our lack of silverware for 7 years, but would ask you to at least spare a thought for the match going fan who has watched his team from the platt lane benches and the lower kippax on a Monday night in the pissing rain as the club he loves further alienates his "Kind" in search of the omni fan that we all despise while still using his blind sense of loyalty to rape him for every penny (£62 minimum for us on Sunday as well)he earns and more and using not to invest in his beloved club but to escalate shareholders profits.

Win Lose or Draw I will drop by here on Monday

Regards & Respect

I'll stand and have a drink and chat football all day long with true fans as there will always be a common bond between any set of supporters because we've all had to put up with the same shit, policing, shit food, prices, conditions, etc - and yes that actually includes any genuine rags (Utd in case any Gooners were wondering) - I enjoy the banter as much as the next person and will gladly take it off you on monday if you win and let's be honest our record down the years doesn't bode well.

Referring back to what I wrote earlier I genuinely would like to know what City or any other club outside of the traditional top 4 were/are supposed to do to break into that elite top four and then go on and sustain it for years whilst acheiving any degree of success coupling the Champions League along the way.

The reality is there was/is none other than to buy your way into it. I genuinely genuinely look at the likes of the West Hams, Aston Villa and Newcastle's of this world and think that was us a few years ago and look at just how much money, time, effort, heartache, bad press and general mud throwing we've had to take just to get this far and we've still along way to go yet.

I look around at what our owners have been doing since day one here and sometimes have to pinch myself at how lucky we are and why us? I look at all the things off the pitch they've done and I know it would never have happened in my lifetime without them. It was a dream, a pipedream to think we could climb the table each year and strengthen the squad every year and then climb another few places until eventually we broke into the big time and get one of those coveted moneybags Champions League placings. The reason is whilst teams like us are chipping away at it, teams like yourselves in the Champions League have got the foot firmly pressed to the floor on the accelerator and the gap widens year after year. There is no catching up in the old traditional ways. FFPR will kill any chances of West Ham, Aston Villa and Newcastle fans of ever having a day like we did last May. And that I find is a sad situation. Every club and every fan should have that dream every season but unfortunately that isn't the reality.

 

[Anonymous]

I know but there seems to be a few more here now than there was the other day so any new lurkers can be told too ;-)

As an outsider it is difficult to reply to a heartfelt post such as yours post that has been heralded by so many on here when many others are aiming a torrent of abuse towards your fans purely because of statements of a few no-nothings and johnny come latelys. Is it not Arsenal that has provided some well needed respite to you as City fans while standing toe to toe with the "rags" over a few years..including winning the title on their own patch in 2002.

I have seen Arsenal lose at Bradford,Wrexham,York and Walsall(at home) all bottom league clubs and others over the years. Always respected City fans over the years and you like us have had some awful numbers for games between us, I know I was there.

I respect you have no sympathy for our lack of silverware for 7 years, but would ask you to at least spare a thought for the match going fan who has watched his team from the platt lane benches and the lower kippax on a Monday night in the pissing rain as the club he loves further alienates his "Kind" in search of the omni fan that we all despise while still using his blind sense of loyalty to rape him for every penny (£62 minimum for us on Sunday as well)he earns and more and using not to invest in his beloved club but to escalate shareholders profits.

Win Lose or Draw I will drop by here on Monday

Regards & Respect

I'll stand and have a drink and chat football all day long with true fans as there will always be a common bond between any set of supporters because we've all had to put up with the same shit, policing, shit food, prices, conditions, etc - and yes that actually includes any genuine rags (Utd in case any Gooners were wondering) - I enjoy the banter as much as the next person and will gladly take it off you on monday if you win and let's be honest our record down the years doesn't bode well.

Referring back to what I wrote earlier I genuinely would like to know what City or any other club outside of the traditional top 4 were/are supposed to do to break into that elite top four and then go on and sustain it for years whilst acheiving any degree of success coupling the Champions League along the way.

The reality is there was/is none other than to buy your way into it. I genuinely genuinely look at the likes of the West Hams, Aston Villa and Newcastle's of this world and think that was us a few years ago and look at just how much money, time, effort, heartache, bad press and general mud throwing we've had to take just to get this far and we've still along way to go yet.

I look around at what our owners have been doing since day one here and sometimes have to pinch myself at how lucky we are and why us? I look at all the things off the pitch they've done and I know it would never have happened in my lifetime without them. It was a dream, a pipedream to think we could climb the table each year and strengthen the squad every year and then climb another few places until eventually we broke into the big time and egt one of those coveted moneybags Champions League placings. The reason is whilst teams like us are chipping away at it the teams in the Champions League have got the foot firmly pressed to the floor on the accelerator and the gap widens year after year. There is no catching upin the old traditional ways. FFPR will kill any chances of west Ham, Aston Villa and Newcastle fans of ever having a day like we did last May. And that I find is a sad situation. Every club and every fan should have that dream every season they have a chance and it hasn't been that way for decades.

again a very good post, well done this man.

 

[AFC]

I know but there seems to be a few more here now than there was the other day so any new lurkers can be told too ;-)

As an outsider it is difficult to reply to a heartfelt post such as yours post that has been heralded by so many on here when many others are aiming a torrent of abuse towards your fans purely because of statements of a few no-nothings and johnny come latelys. Is it not Arsenal that has provided some well needed respite to you as City fans while standing toe to toe with the "rags" over a few years..including winning the title on their own patch in 2002.

I have seen Arsenal lose at Bradford,Wrexham,York and Walsall(at home) all bottom league clubs and others over the years. Always respected City fans over the years and you like us have had some awful numbers for games between us, I know I was there.

I respect you have no sympathy for our lack of silverware for 7 years, but would ask you to at least spare a thought for the match going fan who has watched his team from the platt lane benches and the lower kippax on a Monday night in the pissing rain as the club he loves further alienates his "Kind" in search of the omni fan that we all despise while still using his blind sense of loyalty to rape him for every penny (£62 minimum for us on Sunday as well)he earns and more and using not to invest in his beloved club but to escalate shareholders profits.

Win Lose or Draw I will drop by here on Monday

Regards & Respect

We have been in the same boat. What pisses me off is the 'No History', 'No Class', comments that come from some of your fan base. I have to admit we have to better in the Champions League, and a couple more league titles will help as well.

They are used against most clubs the alamo or fall back if you like. It is generally attributed to the Arsenal of the 30s (1st numbers on shirts,1st tv broadcast,1st radio broadcast,1st underground station named after) there used to be a list of them somewhere and there are loads more I can't recall. For what it's worth the money cant buy class banner is a club banner(think repulic of mankunia et al) that was part of a (rigged ) online poll , the designs were submitted from all over the world...Arsenal Forever underneath might have given that away...Indonesia I think?)

ban-mcfc...No we haven't been in the lower leagues in my lifetime, but if we had I would of been there!

As for the Henry Norris quotes, I have respect for him and the forming of Arsenal but refuse to be held accountable for what happened 100 years ago...not quite that old also Danny Fiszman may have put £50m into the club (I don't remember that being mentioned before) but his family pocketed £116m on the sale of his shares I believe after his untimely death.

 

[Ray78]

As an outsider it is difficult to reply to a heartfelt post such as yours post that has been heralded by so many on here when many others are aiming a torrent of abuse towards your fans purely because of statements of a few no-nothings and johnny come latelys. Is it not Arsenal that has provided some well needed respite to you as City fans while standing toe to toe with the "rags" over a few years..including winning the title on their own patch in 2002.

I have seen Arsenal lose at Bradford,Wrexham,York and Walsall(at home) all bottom league clubs and others over the years. Always respected City fans over the years and you like us have had some awful numbers for games between us, I know I was there.

I respect you have no sympathy for our lack of silverware for 7 years, but would ask you to at least spare a thought for the match going fan who has watched his team from the platt lane benches and the lower kippax on a Monday night in the pissing rain as the club he loves further alienates his "Kind" in search of the omni fan that we all despise while still using his blind sense of loyalty to rape him for every penny (£62 minimum for us on Sunday as well)he earns and more and using not to invest in his beloved club but to escalate shareholders profits.

Win Lose or Draw I will drop by here on Monday

Regards & Respect

We have been in the same boat. What pisses me off is the 'No History', 'No Class', comments that come from some of your fan base. I have to admit we have to better in the Champions League, and a couple more league titles will help as well.

They are used against most clubs the alamo or fall back if you like. It is generally attributed to the Arsenal of the 30s (1st numbers on shirts,1st tv broadcast,1st radio broadcast,1st underground station named after) there used to be a list of them somewhere and there are loads more I can't recall. For what it's worth the money cant buy class banner is a club banner(think repulic of mankunia et al) that was part of a (rigged ) online poll , the designs were submitted from all over the world...Arsenal Forever underneath might have given that away...Indonesia I think?)

ban-mcfc...No we haven't been in the lower leagues in my lifetime, but if we had I would of been there!

As for the Henry Norris quotes, I have respect for him and the forming of Arsenal but refuse to be held accountable for what happened 100 years ago...not quite that old also Danny Fiszman may have put £50m into the club (I don't remember that being mentioned before) but his family pocketed £116m on the sale of his shares I believe after his untimely death.

A fair comment but prehaps some of them should witness Arsenal in the lower leagues (even though it will be unlikely for that to happen), as speaking from someone who has watched that, it is a humbling experience and is something I hope not to be repeated.

 

[Brendan110_0]

We have been in the same boat. What pisses me off is the 'No History', 'No Class', comments that come from some of your fan base. I have to admit we have to better in the Champions League, and a couple more league titles will help as well.

They are used against most clubs the alamo or fall back if you like. It is generally attributed to the Arsenal of the 30s (1st numbers on shirts,1st tv broadcast,1st radio broadcast,1st underground station named after) there used to be a list of them somewhere and there are loads more I can't recall. For what it's worth the money cant buy class banner is a club banner(think repulic of mankunia et al) that was part of a (rigged ) online poll , the designs were submitted from all over the world...Arsenal Forever underneath might have given that away...Indonesia I think?)

ban-mcfc...No we haven't been in the lower leagues in my lifetime, but if we had I would of been there!

As for the Henry Norris quotes, I have respect for him and the forming of Arsenal but refuse to be held accountable for what happened 100 years ago...not quite that old also Danny Fiszman may have put £50m into the club (I don't remember that being mentioned before) but his family pocketed £116m on the sale of his shares I believe after his untimely death.

A fair comment but prehaps some of them should witness Arsenal in the lower leagues (even though it will be unlikely for that to happen), as speaking from someone who has watched that, it is a humbling experience and is something I hope not to be repeated.

I could never see 30,000+ going to Arsenal if they were in the 3rd tier playing Yeovil. That's why we know we're the best in the land and all the world.

 

[gooner6729]

Most of the Gooners on here have conducted themselves with class. The twat warbling on about ''earned money'' is obviously a foreigner off Arsenal Mania. Most true Gooners wouldn't touch that site with a bargepole.

It consists 90% of foreigners. Its also not an independently owned site, but something owned by an American gambling site.

Fucking disgraceful. The biggest irony is most of those twunts have contributed very little, if anything, to our ''self-sustaining model''.

Ironic really, but when I started following it was naughty away fans that gave your club a bad name. Now its online cunts from Arizona or Bangladesh.

These are the people who

1) have the biggest sense of self-entitlement
2)the least sense of empathy with the real Arsenal or football fans in general - typical responses to the ticket price issue are ''its only £10 more than our fans paid at the Etihad'' when it should have been ''we feel bad for our domeestic fans who are paying between £62 and £126 to watch this match''.

Fucked up, but you'll learn more about this as your fanbase ''expands''.

Please remember, Arsenal-Mania is not a reflection or representation of Arsenal FC's proper fanbase

 

[mscenterh750]

What really gets my back up is the fact that, we get called classless and what not, like we are a poor old butler running around after the big fat aristocrat that is alleged to be Arsenal, United etc etc, but when it does come down to it, the lack of class and graciousness, actually comes from messers Wenger, Ferguson, Gazidis, Gill and both sets of fans of the respective teams. This is why such a torrent of abuse has been hurled at some of you gunner fans, coming on here and acting like complete posh arse knobs. It would do you good to have a proper spell of being shit, then you would know what it feels like and appreciate how us City fans have felt, but that will probably never happen, so I guess we will continue to get bombarded by plastic glory seekers that claim to be proper fans. Please don't chastise us for having money, we never asked for it, but we are now fortunate enough to have it, and have upset the old guard, and you don't like it, but that's how it is and how it will stay for the foreseeable future, so chin up and get to grips with it. See you Sunday.

 

[chux00ba]

We are Manchester city, premier league champions. We cannot be intimidated.
Arsenal are not a better team than us, the team has weak foundations, once we hit first, they will crumble.
We will not park the bus, even with our injuries, our team is better man for man.
Cazorlas is no better than silva, Giroud is inferior to Dzeko, Barry will be an upgrade at Dm for arsenal.
Nobody in their team works as hard as Milner, kompany v Vermaelen ? Would you swap?
You have to look no further than results to see that all we need is belief to win.
How many times has arsenal won a game with 10 men recently.
When was the last time we were beaten 3-0 by swansea?
When was the last time we were beaten 3-0 by anybody?
When was the last time we shipped 5 goals in a game?
Our players just have to rise to the occasion
For them, getting in top 4 is a trophy.
We like our trophies in silver.
We shall prevail

When was the last time Arsenal were beaten by Swansea 3-0?

 

[gooner6729]

They are used against most clubs the alamo or fall back if you like. It is generally attributed to the Arsenal of the 30s (1st numbers on shirts,1st tv broadcast,1st radio broadcast,1st underground station named after) there used to be a list of them somewhere and there are loads more I can't recall. For what it's worth the money cant buy class banner is a club banner(think repulic of mankunia et al) that was part of a (rigged ) online poll , the designs were submitted from all over the world...Arsenal Forever underneath might have given that away...Indonesia I think?)

ban-mcfc...No we haven't been in the lower leagues in my lifetime, but if we had I would of been there!

As for the Henry Norris quotes, I have respect for him and the forming of Arsenal but refuse to be held accountable for what happened 100 years ago...not quite that old also Danny Fiszman may have put £50m into the club (I don't remember that being mentioned before) but his family pocketed £116m on the sale of his shares I believe after his untimely death.

A fair comment but prehaps some of them should witness Arsenal in the lower leagues (even though it will be unlikely for that to happen), as speaking from someone who has watched that, it is a humbling experience and is something I hope not to be repeated.

I could never see 30,000+ going to Arsenal if they were in the 3rd tier playing Yeovil. That's why we know we're the best in the land and all the world.

maybe not if tickets were priced £62-£126, but otherwise you might be surprised. You are talking about the most popular club in the nation's biggest city. Arsenal haven't sent back a single away ticket in years. Our street parade following the ''invincible'' season attracted 450,000 people. For comparison's sake Chelski's victory parade following their CL fluke got 50,000. I also doubt either Manchester (or Merseyside) club gets that for a victory parade. 3d highest all-time average home gate should also give you an idea.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

I know but there seems to be a few more here now than there was the other day so any new lurkers can be told too ;-)

As an outsider it is difficult to reply to a heartfelt post such as yours post that has been heralded by so many on here when many others are aiming a torrent of abuse towards your fans purely because of statements of a few no-nothings and johnny come latelys. Is it not Arsenal that has provided some well needed respite to you as City fans while standing toe to toe with the "rags" over a few years..including winning the title on their own patch in 2002.

I have seen Arsenal lose at Bradford,Wrexham,York and Walsall(at home) all bottom league clubs and others over the years. Always respected City fans over the years and you like us have had some awful numbers for games between us, I know I was there.

I respect you have no sympathy for our lack of silverware for 7 years, but would ask you to at least spare a thought for the match going fan who has watched his team from the platt lane benches and the lower kippax on a Monday night in the pissing rain as the club he loves further alienates his "Kind" in search of the omni fan that we all despise while still using his blind sense of loyalty to rape him for every penny (£62 minimum for us on Sunday as well)he earns and more and using not to invest in his beloved club but to escalate shareholders profits.

Win Lose or Draw I will drop by here on Monday

Regards & Respect

I'll stand and have a drink and chat football all day long with true fans as there will always be a common bond between any set of supporters because we've all had to put up with the same shit, policing, shit food, prices, conditions, etc - and yes that actually includes any genuine rags (Utd in case any Gooners were wondering) - I enjoy the banter as much as the next person and will gladly take it off you on monday if you win and let's be honest our record down the years doesn't bode well.

Referring back to what I wrote earlier I genuinely would like to know what City or any other club outside of the traditional top 4 were/are supposed to do to break into that elite top four and then go on and sustain it for years whilst acheiving any degree of success coupling the Champions League along the way.

The reality is there was/is none other than to buy your way into it. I genuinely genuinely look at the likes of the West Hams, Aston Villa and Newcastle's of this world and think that was us a few years ago and look at just how much money, time, effort, heartache, bad press and general mud throwing we've had to take just to get this far and we've still along way to go yet.

I look around at what our owners have been doing since day one here and sometimes have to pinch myself at how lucky we are and why us? I look at all the things off the pitch they've done and I know it would never have happened in my lifetime without them. It was a dream, a pipedream to think we could climb the table each year and strengthen the squad every year and then climb another few places until eventually we broke into the big time and get one of those coveted moneybags Champions League placings. The reason is whilst teams like us are chipping away at it, teams like yourselves in the Champions League have got the foot firmly pressed to the floor on the accelerator and the gap widens year after year. There is no catching up in the old traditional ways. FFPR will kill any chances of West Ham, Aston Villa and Newcastle fans of ever having a day like we did last May. And that I find is a sad situation. Every club and every fan should have that dream every season but unfortunately that isn't the reality.

yep the drawbridge has been pulled up behind us, but not by us, but buy the cliche of 4, and the water treaders with no ambition other than to stay in the prem or of ever vying for top stop.