you do if the guy responds saying "because there's a raging forest fire heading this way"benefit of remain = not suffering any ill-effects of leaving.
You don't ask a man on a cliff edge to justify why he should not jump.
Democracy isn't about making a decision for better or worse, we weren't asked this is the bad decision and this is the good one and here is the evidence so take your pick. No-one picked the right or wrong decision because that is a matter of opinion and perspective. There is no evidence we will be better or worse off just yet and that information was required before the referendum to have any point or weight. Saying we should have another referendum because this is a bad decision for whatever reason takes the whole point out of giving people the choice a year ago.
As I said previously, for some this was not about results it was about being able to do things like gain the 100% ability to make our own laws and be in control, you cannot argue that leaving the EU does not achieve what those people voted for. That is surely a good thing and for many it would of been the only thing that mattered so you simply cannot say that for those people it is a ridiculous decision.
Your opinion on whether this will be bad for us is no doubt linked to the economy and what the power brokers in the city constantly tell us but they represent 7.2% of the take. In my mind I think for many of the real businesses it will be better, it means the UK can do business for the benefit of the UK and not the EU. Look at the US, they can make laws and orient themselves for their own benefit, it is why the US has lodged 200+ WTO complaints for it's companies whilst we aren't allowed to lodge any. Is it beneficial that we trust a Frenchman or Dutchman to work on behalf of us??
Leaving means we are able to change the country so that the company I work for can compete at an advantage compared to those in Europe. Our best market is Europe because of the trading conditions indeed but Europe is potless. If we could sign deals abroad we would do far better but we can't, this is why the majority of our trade is with Europe, we simply have no choice.
It isn't all bad, it will be to some degree for companies who trade with the EU but that isn't all of them by any stretch of the imagination. As a large economy what disadvantage do we have to being in complete and total control of how we do business with others? I don't think we will do better in the short term because it will take time but in the long term, who knows?
you do if the guy responds saying "because there's a raging forest fire heading this way"
How do you justify burning in the fire or even if the fire isn't that worrysome? They didn't bother to do either. And if you can;t bother to engage with people because "they should just accept the EU is great", that's no way to convince people.
Its a nice vision but for it to be successful you would need to change this nations 'culture' at the most fundamental level.We should adopt a Northern Europe philosophy. Upset no one, defence force only, no Nuclear weapons, join as many free trading blocs as possible, and pay your due to do so. Never get involved with other countries politics. Educate the people with the money you are saving from the military spend. Live and let live. Balance the divide between rich and poor with taxation. Countries in Northern Europe have large, developed economies and some of the highest standards of living in the world.
We should adopt a Northern Europe philosophy. Upset no one, defence force only, no Nuclear weapons, join as many free trading blocs as possible, and pay your due to do so. Never get involved with other countries politics. Educate the people with the money you are saving from the military spend. Live and let live. Balance the divide between rich and poor with taxation. Countries in Northern Europe have large, developed economies and some of the highest standards of living in the world.
Its a nice vision but for it to be successful you would need to change this nations 'culture' at the most fundamental level.
Why can't you sign deals abroad? Or to be accurate outside of the EU?
Its a nice vision but for it to be successful you would need to change this nations 'culture' at the most fundamental level.
and, in the example of Germany for example, have coalition governments so politics is less ideologically driven.
The first aim of a UK government is to get re-elected, not to do the best thing for the whole country.
That's my thinking.We should adopt a Northern Europe philosophy. Upset no one, defence force only, no Nuclear weapons, join as many free trading blocs as possible, and pay your due to do so. Never get involved with other countries politics. Educate the people with the money you are saving from the military spend. Live and let live. Balance the divide between rich and poor with taxation. Countries in Northern Europe have large, developed economies and some of the highest standards of living in the world.
In the context of trade deals we can't and that means where one doesn't exist we default to WTO rules. Already that is a defacto bad position to be in compared to someone like the US who has trade deals favouring US companies.
It means any UK company trading anywhere is represented by the EU at the WTO table and not the UK. We effectively trade with the world on either the EU's terms or the country we are trading with and that does not benefit us.
The EU is designed to be a protectionist, internal market, it is not designed to enable any world trade that might benefit a single country. That is great for all of the countries within the EU but internal EU trade is stagnating. When the EU slows every country within it does and we have no choice but to follow.
If we could control, change or even sign deals on our terms to compete for the better of UK companies, maybe just maybe we might do better.
Maybe we need the equivalent of a Macron in the UK. Someone outside the current system who will draw support from those that want a middle way, a fairer society, one that wants public investment in infrastructure and prioritises education above most other things.Yes we imposed a better way to rule on Germany, to prevent extremism. We should have adopted this ourselves at the same time. The problem is that there is no great support for change and a fairer society.
Perhaps they've not forgotten about the decimation of the fishing industry during the 70's? Or the fact that they've had to endure living in one of the most deprived wards in the country year upon year?Yeah I never got that. Side note I have a lot of family in Hull and we are all meeting up in August as part of the City of Culture celebration ( yeah ok don't laugh). All largely voted leave. All like the improvements to Hull centre. They all say what has the EU ever done for us. I mean you are literally standing in the middle of something they have done for you. Total disconnect. Weird.
Maybe we need the equivalent of a Macron in the UK. Someone outside the current system who will draw support from those that want a middle way, a fairer society, one that wants public investment in infrastructure and prioritises education above most other things.
don't need to shoot them, just make sure they pay appropriate taxes and invest in the country they earn their wealth in!totally agree. Start by shooting all the "greed is good" believers!
In the context of trade deals we can't and that means where one doesn't exist we default to WTO rules. Already that is a defacto bad position to be in compared to someone like the US who has trade deals favouring US companies.
It means any UK company trading anywhere is represented by the EU at the WTO table and not the UK. We effectively trade with the world on either the EU's terms or the country we are trading with and that does not benefit us.
The EU is designed to be a protectionist, internal market, it is not designed to enable any world trade that might benefit a single country. That is great for all of the countries within the EU but internal EU trade is stagnating. When the EU slows every country within it does and we have no choice but to follow.
If we could control, change or even sign deals on our terms to compete for the better of UK companies, maybe just maybe we might do better.
Maybe we need the equivalent of a Macron in the UK. Someone outside the current system who will draw support from those that want a middle way, a fairer society, one that wants public investment in infrastructure and prioritises education above most other things.
I have a hope that something like this will emerge from the ashes of the last couple of years. The current state of politics cannot surely continue. We have the most incompetent, inept government in our modern history and I cannot see it surviving long.They have my Vote.
It is as culpable for this mess than any politician. Maybe more.Imagine the back lash from the Murdoch controlled media. They just want a few winners and lots of losers. Would upset their party goers in the south of France.